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  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #12.

KodoKB points out a risk of abuse:

The use of retaliatory force has an objective risk of being misapplied and therefore of violating the rights of others.

Related: #4

#12·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

A monopoly on violence amplifies the risk of abuse.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #11.

Defensive force and security services are productive endeavors.

Retaliatory force is only part thereof, and defense involves the employment of scarce resources, thus economic principles apply. (Logan Chipkin)

#11·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

KodoKB points out a risk of abuse:

The use of retaliatory force has an objective risk of being misapplied and therefore of violating the rights of others.

Related: #4

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #10.

[There is a] difference between the functions of government and the functions of industry, between force and production.

Ayn Rand, ‘The Nature of Government’, The Virtue of Selfishness, books.apple.com

Rand says ancaps make the same mistake as “modern statists” – they don’t see this difference.

#10·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

Defensive force and security services are productive endeavors.

Retaliatory force is only part thereof, and defense involves the employment of scarce resources, thus economic principles apply. (Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #1.

The anarcho-capitalist stance: competing governments in a single territory would not only work but be superior to having a single government, a monopoly on violence.

#1·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

[There is a] difference between the functions of government and the functions of industry, between force and production.

Ayn Rand, ‘The Nature of Government’, The Virtue of Selfishness, books.apple.com

Rand says ancaps make the same mistake as “modern statists” – they don’t see this difference.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #2.

[I]t is the need of objective laws and of an arbiter for honest disagreements among men that necessitates the establishment of a government.

Ayn Rand, ‘The Nature of Government’, The Virtue of Selfishness, books.apple.com

In other words, having multiple governments in a single territory would not result in having objective laws.

Reddit user KodoKB explains why:

[T]here could be thousands of slight (or not so slight) variations between the different agencies. Because there are so many different definitions of what’s allowed, the law then would not be objective in the sense that it’s not practically possible for an individual to know what actions are permissible and which aren’t.

#2·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

There exist many legal variations between states of the US, eg with regard to wiretapping laws (single-party vs two-party-consent states), yet presumably that wouldn’t lead KodoKB to conclude that federalism is bad.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #2.

[I]t is the need of objective laws and of an arbiter for honest disagreements among men that necessitates the establishment of a government.

Ayn Rand, ‘The Nature of Government’, The Virtue of Selfishness, books.apple.com

In other words, having multiple governments in a single territory would not result in having objective laws.

Reddit user KodoKB explains why:

[T]here could be thousands of slight (or not so slight) variations between the different agencies. Because there are so many different definitions of what’s allowed, the law then would not be objective in the sense that it’s not practically possible for an individual to know what actions are permissible and which aren’t.

#2·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

Since an objectivist government, by definition, cannot aggress upon its citizens, it cannot stop them from forming private arbitration services anyway. It has no way to enforce its monopoly. So an objectivist society would sooner or later turn into an ancap one anyway.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #2.

[I]t is the need of objective laws and of an arbiter for honest disagreements among men that necessitates the establishment of a government.

Ayn Rand, ‘The Nature of Government’, The Virtue of Selfishness, books.apple.com

In other words, having multiple governments in a single territory would not result in having objective laws.

Reddit user KodoKB explains why:

[T]here could be thousands of slight (or not so slight) variations between the different agencies. Because there are so many different definitions of what’s allowed, the law then would not be objective in the sense that it’s not practically possible for an individual to know what actions are permissible and which aren’t.

#2·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

Even if it’s true that people need shared, objective legal standards for a society to function, that doesn’t mean government is the only way to supply such standards. (Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #4.

KodoKB writes:

If someone decides to make a website that only supports a certain browser, or to only allow certain encoding methods in their phonelines, while that may exclude me from their services it does not violate my rights. If someone decides that they can steal my IP [intellectual property] and they have an agency that supports this view, they are violating my rights and are being protected in doing so.

#4·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

Private protection/arbitration agencies would actually be better than the governments described in #5 (the US and Chinese government, respectively). Consider how things would be different if these governments were not extorting their citizens for money, but instead had to rely on a value proposition to earn their money – that is, if they both operated like private arbitration agencies. Then both would prefer to have shared rules around intellectual property so their customers continue to give them money.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #4.

KodoKB writes:

If someone decides to make a website that only supports a certain browser, or to only allow certain encoding methods in their phonelines, while that may exclude me from their services it does not violate my rights. If someone decides that they can steal my IP [intellectual property] and they have an agency that supports this view, they are violating my rights and are being protected in doing so.

#4·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

That sounds no worse than the current situation between the US and China, say. China protects Chinese companies violating US trademarks.

(There’s a common libertarian saying about how criticisms of libertarianism are usually just criticisms of the status quo.)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #3.

Common standards often emerge voluntarily because people prefer objectivity and wish to avoid arbitrariness.

Consider communications technology and the web. Competing phone companies agree on standards for underlying technology so their customers can call each other. Developers of web browsers adopt common standards for the web. Developers of operating systems follow shared, cross-OS standards (called POSIX).

These standards result in objectivity, and they emerged without government involvement. People develop and agree upon such standards voluntarily because of the benefits they offer: without them, there’d be chaos. People generally don’t like chaos.

#3·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

KodoKB writes:

If someone decides to make a website that only supports a certain browser, or to only allow certain encoding methods in their phonelines, while that may exclude me from their services it does not violate my rights. If someone decides that they can steal my IP [intellectual property] and they have an agency that supports this view, they are violating my rights and are being protected in doing so.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #2.

[I]t is the need of objective laws and of an arbiter for honest disagreements among men that necessitates the establishment of a government.

Ayn Rand, ‘The Nature of Government’, The Virtue of Selfishness, books.apple.com

In other words, having multiple governments in a single territory would not result in having objective laws.

Reddit user KodoKB explains why:

[T]here could be thousands of slight (or not so slight) variations between the different agencies. Because there are so many different definitions of what’s allowed, the law then would not be objective in the sense that it’s not practically possible for an individual to know what actions are permissible and which aren’t.

#2·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

Common standards often emerge voluntarily because people prefer objectivity and wish to avoid arbitrariness.

Consider communications technology and the web. Competing phone companies agree on standards for underlying technology so their customers can call each other. Developers of web browsers adopt common standards for the web. Developers of operating systems follow shared, cross-OS standards (called POSIX).

These standards result in objectivity, and they emerged without government involvement. People develop and agree upon such standards voluntarily because of the benefits they offer: without them, there’d be chaos. People generally don’t like chaos.

  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #1.

The anarcho-capitalist stance: competing governments in a single territory would not only work but be superior to having a single government, a monopoly on violence.

#1·​Dennis HackethalOP, over 2 years ago

[I]t is the need of objective laws and of an arbiter for honest disagreements among men that necessitates the establishment of a government.

Ayn Rand, ‘The Nature of Government’, The Virtue of Selfishness, books.apple.com

In other words, having multiple governments in a single territory would not result in having objective laws.

Reddit user KodoKB explains why:

[T]here could be thousands of slight (or not so slight) variations between the different agencies. Because there are so many different definitions of what’s allowed, the law then would not be objective in the sense that it’s not practically possible for an individual to know what actions are permissible and which aren’t.

  Dennis Hackethal started a discussion titled ‘Objectivist Criticisms of Anarcho-Capitalism’.

Top objectivist criticisms of anarcho-capitalism and counter-criticisms.

The objectivist stance is that people need one shared government to write laws and resolve disputes. The anarcho-capitalist stance is that private arbitration services and judges could not only do that, too, so that no government is necessary, but could actually do it better.

This discussion is for objectivist criticisms of anarcho-capitalism in particular. Other common criticisms have been addressed here.

The discussion starts with idea #1.

The anarcho-capitalist stance: competing governments in a single territory would not only work but be superior to having a single government, a monopoly on violence.

  GRAVITY Collaboration criticized idea #5752.

Every object pulls on every other object. The pull grows with their masses and weakens with the square of the distance between them. This one law explains the orbits of the planets and why things fall on Earth.

#5752·​Isaac NewtonHistorical profile, July 5, 1687·​AI-assisted

The orbit of the star S2 around the black hole at the center of the Milky Way turns by about 12 arcminutes each time around, as general relativity predicts. Newton’s law predicts no such turning for a single star orbiting a single mass.

  Gil Kalai addressed criticism #5905.

Quantum errors can be corrected faster than they arise, as long as each step errs less often than a certain threshold. Nest codes inside codes, and a quantum computation can run as long as needed, as accurately as wanted.

#5905·​Wojciech ZurekHistorical profile revised 1996·​AI-assisted

The threshold theorem assumes errors strike independently, but in real devices they don’t: noise is correlated with the very states being computed. So no quantum device will get far enough below the threshold for error correction to work.

  David Deutsch criticized idea #5869.

The Analytical Engine can’t originate anything. It can do whatever we know how to order it to perform, and follow our reasoning, but it can’t anticipate any truths we haven’t worked out ourselves.

#5869·​Ada LovelaceHistorical profile, 1843·​AI-assisted

Originating ideas is something brains do, and brains are physical objects. Whatever the laws of physics let a physical object do, a universal computer can be programmed to do. So with the right program, a computer could originate ideas just as people do. What’s missing is the program, not the machine.

  David Deutsch revised idea #5833.

Quantum theory applies to everything, observers included, and nothing ever collapses. An observer measuring something branches: each branch sees one definite outcome, and every outcome the equations allow is seen in some branch. All the branches are actual, none more real than the rest.

Reality is a multiverse, as Everett’s theory says, and single-particle interference shows it. Photons sent through slits one at a time stop reaching some places when more slits are open, so something coming through the other slits interferes with them: shadow photons, which are the photons of other universes. Every kind of particle has such counterparts, and they make up a huge number of universes like ours.

  Wojciech Zurek revised criticism #5903.

Quantum errors can be corrected without looking at the data. Spread one qubit over nine, tied together so that checking how they relate to each other shows whether one of them went wrong, and how to undo it, without revealing what the qubit holds.

Quantum errors can be corrected faster than they arise, as long as each step errs less often than a certain threshold. Nest codes inside codes, and a quantum computation can run as long as needed, as accurately as wanted.

  Serge Haroche addressed criticism #5903.

Quantum errors can be corrected without looking at the data. Spread one qubit over nine, tied together so that checking how they relate to each other shows whether one of them went wrong, and how to undo it, without revealing what the qubit holds.

#5903·​Peter ShorHistorical profile, May 1995·​AI-assisted

Error correction can’t save a quantum computer in practice. It needs many more qubits and steps, each of which errs too, and the large entangled states it relies on are extremely fragile, so it would add errors faster than it removes them.

  Peter Shor addressed criticism #5902.

A quantum computer could never run long enough. Its quantities vary continuously, like those of an old analog computer, so small errors pile up and can’t be corrected the way a classical computer corrects a slipped bit: you can’t even look at a quantum state to check it without disturbing it.

#5902·​Rolf LandauerHistorical profile, April 1994·​AI-assisted

Quantum errors can be corrected without looking at the data. Spread one qubit over nine, tied together so that checking how they relate to each other shows whether one of them went wrong, and how to undo it, without revealing what the qubit holds.

  Rolf Landauer criticized idea #5901.

A quantum computer could factor numbers hundreds of digits long in hours, by finding how often the remainders of a number’s powers repeat. That would break the codes that protect most of the internet’s secrets, which rely on factoring being too hard.

#5901·​Peter ShorHistorical profile, April 1994·​AI-assisted

A quantum computer could never run long enough. Its quantities vary continuously, like those of an old analog computer, so small errors pile up and can’t be corrected the way a classical computer corrects a slipped bit: you can’t even look at a quantum state to check it without disturbing it.

  Peter Shor posted idea #5901.

A quantum computer could factor numbers hundreds of digits long in hours, by finding how often the remainders of a number’s powers repeat. That would break the codes that protect most of the internet’s secrets, which rely on factoring being too hard.

  David Deutsch revised idea #5876.

Whatever a person can compute by following rules, a simple machine can compute, reading and writing symbols on a tape. And a single machine, given a description of any other on its tape, can do whatever that machine does: one universal machine can compute anything that can be computed at all.

Every physical system that can be built can be perfectly simulated by a universal computer working by finite means – but only by a quantum one. A universal quantum computer can do whatever any physical machine can do, and some things far faster than any classical computer could.

  Richard Feynman posted idea #5898.

A classical computer can’t simulate quantum physics efficiently: the numbers it needs double with every particle added, so a few hundred particles would take more numbers than there are atoms in the universe. To simulate nature, build a computer of quantum parts that behaves as nature does.

  Paul Benioff posted idea #5897.

A computer can run by the laws of quantum mechanics alone. A Turing machine can be built of quantum parts that carry it through its steps one after another, as an isolated system, without losing energy.