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It’s because of text-wrap: pretty;

Chromium renders it properly. Desktop and mobile Safari doesn’t.

#5338​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 12 hours ago

Ben found a UI bug:

UI bug

The text shouldn’t wrap after “trust”.

#5337​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 12 hours ago​·​Criticism
#5336​·​Dennis Hackethal, about 14 hours ago

On tangent to this, I think consequentialism is not a theory of ethics at all, it’s just borrowing from the future as well. Anchoring moral action to predicted (prophecied) consequences is nothing more than an attempt to sidestep ethical deliberation completely.

In other words, it is evil.

#5335​·​Martin Thaulow, about 15 hours ago

Related: Lying reduces conflict - in the short term.

I prefer the term macro economists use: Borrowing from the future. It can work out in the long term, if the future cooperates, for instance it is possible to get away with a lie. But it’s always a very risky gamble, since the future is very uncertain, and therefore it is not a good strategy.

#5334​·​Martin Thaulow, about 15 hours ago​·​Criticism

As I wrote to him in response, rationality and creativity are different things. They’re related, and there’s overlap, but you don’t need to code creativity to code rational preference formation. You can outsource creative input to the user, as programs usually do.

#5333​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 18 hours ago​·​Criticism

Brett says this can’t be a fully specified criterion of rationality because it’s not an AGI.

#5332​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 19 hours ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

Brett doesn’t know this is a common objection I’ve addressed before. For example, I wrote a variant in #1976. My paper also addresses it (last objection in section 5).

#5331​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 19 hours ago​·​Criticism

Brett Hall says Newtonian physics has pending criticisms but we can adopt it rationally in many situations so my criterion of rationality must be false.

#5330​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 19 hours ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

Brett is confused about HTV. It says nothing about pending criticisms. As I replied to him, it says to prefer, “between rival theories at a given state of a discussion, those we find the most difficult to change without breaking their ability to explain what they purport to explain.”

#5329​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 19 hours ago​·​Criticism

Brett Hall says this basically comes down to getting the “best explanation” but is “not quite right”.

#5328​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 19 hours ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

The blog post already sidesteps that issue by granting the user the ability to input some HTV score without having to give any reasoning. That still leads to all sorts of trouble.

#5327​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 19 hours ago​·​Criticism

Translation: ‘trust me bro’
It’s just vibes.

#5326​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 19 hours ago​·​Criticism

Brett Hall responds to the contradiction between HTV and ‘if you can’t program it, you haven’t understood it’: https://x.com/ToKTeacher/status/2090780593739243793

He agrees we can’t program HTV but says even if we don’t know how or why an explanation is HTV, we still know that it’s HTV.

#5325​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 19 hours ago​·​CriticismCriticized2

Since you agree that a revision was necessary, I’ve submitted a counter-criticism of #5292 so that this branch of the discussion tree is consistent (#5323). Ideas are immutable; opening a new branch won’t automatically fix broken branches.

The branch now reflects that your action was rational.

Generally speaking, when a revision addresses a criticism, we don’t submit a counter-criticism.

Let me stress ahead of time that this kind of housekeeping may not seem the most fun, but is indispensable in keeping consistent discussion trees. We can learn to enjoy it. We benefit from this kind of housekeeping by being able to look up which ideas we can rationally adopt.

#5324​·​Dennis Hackethal, 1 day ago​·​Criticism

Revision done; criticism not needed.

#5323​·​Dennis Hackethal, 1 day ago​·​Criticism

Naval, who’s inspired by Deutsch, says good products are hard to vary, too: https://nav.al/good-products

Gives iPhone as example.

#5322​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 1 day ago

Interest 1: It's my yardstick. I want to accomplish more, and I know I can (and we do, often, by staying up "too" late). And staying up is working as much as we can each day without coercion. It's stopping and getting ready for bed that requires coercion!

#5321​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 days ago​·​Criticism

Interest 2: This measure of productivity is suspect. By whose yardstick is a day not productive enough? This is itself the source of the anxiety. Just work as much as we can each day without coercion. Asking for any more is foolish.

#5320​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 days ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

Interest 2: Go to bed around hour 16, to get the full 8 ours we require for good health and functioning! We regret when we sleep too much less than 8 hours, and the cumulative health impact causes us some background anxiety (which is itself unhealthy).

#5319​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 days ago

Interest 1: Stay up past 16 hours and do more things! Accomplish more, have more fun today and feel like the day was more productive. Some loss of sleep is okay for the sake of accomplishing more, earlier in life.

#5318​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 days ago

Per #5229, here is a debate to find a common preference for the two interests in me.

#5317​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 days ago

True, I have a lamp that is warm in color, but probably still has some blue in it. I'll consider looking into redder lamps. I still suspect mental stuff is the main issue.

#5316​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 days ago

Checking this out, thanks!

#5315​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 days ago

Good reasoning. But I don't go long stretches without eating (no more than 4 or 5 hours), and my weight is stable (or growing, depending on goals), so I can't be undereating in general.

#5314​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 days ago​·​Criticism