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  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #3303.

“If we make it a profession, we'll still have elites judging commoners and commoners unable to get justice.” (Source)

#3303·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago

Why would it automatically be an elite profession? Just adjust your selection process accordingly.

  Dennis Hackethal submitted idea #3303.

“If we make it a profession, we'll still have elites judging commoners and commoners unable to get justice.” (Source)

  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #3301.

“If we only take volunteers, we'll be perpetually lacking jurors or we'll have jurors that don't represent the general populace.” (Source)

#3301·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago

No, again (#3300), if you make it worth their while, plenty of people will show up voluntarily.

  Dennis Hackethal submitted idea #3301.

“If we only take volunteers, we'll be perpetually lacking jurors or we'll have jurors that don't represent the general populace.” (Source)

  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #3299.

We need jury duty because without it, “we can't guarantee the accused their right to trial by a jury of their peers if we don't have peers available to serve on juries.”

#3299·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago

If you make it worth their while, you will have plenty of people signing up voluntarily.

  Dennis Hackethal submitted idea #3299.

We need jury duty because without it, “we can't guarantee the accused their right to trial by a jury of their peers if we don't have peers available to serve on juries.”

  Dennis Hackethal submitted criticism #3298.

A duty is an unchosen obligation. It’s an expression of mysticism. Immanuel Kant is responsible for spreading this anti-concept.

https://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/duty.html

  Dennis Hackethal started a discussion titled ‘Jury Duty’.

@zelalem-mekonnen shared in my Twitter space that he has been ‘summoned’ for jury duty. It seems strange and incompatible with freedom that the courts can just ‘command’ you to perform a service for them.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #3278.

… any replicator’s primary ‘concern’ is how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals.

Why “through the population”? Doesn’t this presuppose a replicator needs to exist within a population to do what it does? The first replicator spread with no population to spread into.

#3278·Benjamin Davies, about 2 months ago

A population of 1 is still a population.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #3278.

… any replicator’s primary ‘concern’ is how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals.

Why “through the population”? Doesn’t this presuppose a replicator needs to exist within a population to do what it does? The first replicator spread with no population to spread into.

#3278·Benjamin Davies, about 2 months ago

Accounts of the origin of replicators (such as RNA World) involve proto-replicators. By the time the first ‘full-fledged’ replicator came on the scene, it was already part of a larger population of proto-replicators.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #3278.

… any replicator’s primary ‘concern’ is how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals.

Why “through the population”? Doesn’t this presuppose a replicator needs to exist within a population to do what it does? The first replicator spread with no population to spread into.

#3278·Benjamin Davies, about 2 months ago

I suppose it’s theoretically possible for the very first replicator to exist in isolation until it replicates for the first time. But that’s what it does right away anyway.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #3279.

… any replicator’s primary ‘concern’ is how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals.

Why “at the expense of its rivals”? Isn’t the concern to spread at all, regardless of the outcome of rivals?

#3279·Benjamin Davies, about 2 months ago

I’m using standard neo-Darwinian phrasing. Compare, for example, BoI chapter 4:

The most general way of stating the central assertion of the neo-Darwinian theory of evolution is that a population of replicators subject to variation (for instance by imperfect copying) will be taken over by those variants that are better than their rivals at causing themselves to be replicated.

And, same chapter:

[T]he knowledge embodied in genes is knowledge of how to get themselves replicated at the expense of their rivals.

See also several instances in chapter 15 in the context of meme evolution.

Richard Dawkins’ The Selfish Gene has a ton on rivals (alleles), too, for example (chapter 2):

Ways of increasing stability and of decreasing rivals’ stability became more elaborate and more efficient. Some of them may even have ‘discovered’ how to break up molecules of rival varieties chemically, and to use the building blocks so released for making their own copies.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #3279.

… any replicator’s primary ‘concern’ is how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals.

Why “at the expense of its rivals”? Isn’t the concern to spread at all, regardless of the outcome of rivals?

#3279·Benjamin Davies, about 2 months ago

Rivalry means competition, win/lose outcomes. If one replicator spreads, it will be at the expense of its rivals (if any), eg taking up niches that rivals would otherwise have taken up.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #3289.

My charitable interpretation:

“Less and less possible” is a loose way of saying something like “more and more difficult to achieve”, or “occurs less and less often in the multiverse”.

#3289·Benjamin Davies revised about 2 months ago

That’s fine if you want to interpret it charitably, but that isn’t a criticism. Maybe you’re implying that I’m not being as charitable as I should be. That would be a criticism, but it should be made explicit.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #3285.

“([T]hey say)” presumably means he is paraphrasing people who get it wrong.

#3285·Benjamin Davies, about 2 months ago

I realize that. I don’t see how that’s a criticism.

  Benjamin Davies revised criticism #3287.

My charitable interpretation:

“Less and less possible” means something like “more and more difficult to achieve”, or “occurs less and less often in the multiverse”.

My charitable interpretation:

“Less and less possible” is a loose way of saying something like “more and more difficult to achieve”, or “occurs less and less often in the multiverse”.

  Benjamin Davies revised criticism #3286.

My charitable interpretation:

“Less and less possible” means something like “more and more difficult to achieve”, or “a smaller and smaller occurrence in the multiverse”.

My charitable interpretation:

“Less and less possible” means something like “more and more difficult to achieve”, or “occurs less and less often in the multiverse”.

  Benjamin Davies addressed criticism #2084.

Consequently (they say), whether or not it was ever possible for one person to understand everything that was understood at the time, it is certainly not possible now, and it is becoming less and less possible as our knowledge grows.

Chapter 1

If something already isn’t possible, how could it become less possible?
Isn’t possibility a binary thing? As opposed to difficulty, which exists in degrees.

#2084·Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

My charitable interpretation:

“Less and less possible” means something like “more and more difficult to achieve”, or “a smaller and smaller occurrence in the multiverse”.

  Benjamin Davies addressed criticism #2084.

Consequently (they say), whether or not it was ever possible for one person to understand everything that was understood at the time, it is certainly not possible now, and it is becoming less and less possible as our knowledge grows.

Chapter 1

If something already isn’t possible, how could it become less possible?
Isn’t possibility a binary thing? As opposed to difficulty, which exists in degrees.

#2084·Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

“([T]hey say)” presumably means he is paraphrasing people who get it wrong.

  Benjamin Davies addressed criticism #2276.

By the same logic, wouldn't neo-Darwinism also disqualify as a strand, since it's subsumed by Popperian epistemology?

#2276·Erik Orrje, 3 months ago

Why does neo-Darwinism qualify as a strand, if it can be understood as a component of Popperian epistemology?

  Benjamin Davies addressed criticism #2278.

You say that trade-offs and scarcity are fundamental to biology. I agree, and this implies economics as a more fundamental science than biology or evolution. It still applies in our computer models, where biological details may not.

#2278·Dirk Meulenbelt, 3 months ago

Economics is simply at the intersection of evolution and epistemology.

  Benjamin Davies revised criticism #3280.

While a lot of what’s involved in understanding a language is inexplicit, it is not possible to come to understand a language without ever dealing with it explicitly.

This is what separates explanatory knowledge from other types of knowledge.

While a lot of what’s involved in understanding a language is inexplicit, it is not possible to come to understand a language without ever dealing with it explicitly.

This is part of what separates explanatory knowledge from other types of knowledge.

  Benjamin Davies addressed criticism #2277.

Undestanding does not flow from explanatory knowledge the way you imply. I understand Dutch and English, but a lot of my understanding of it is inexplicit.

#2277·Dirk Meulenbelt, 3 months ago

While a lot of what’s involved in understanding a language is inexplicit, it is not possible to come to understand a language without ever dealing with it explicitly.

This is what separates explanatory knowledge from other types of knowledge.

  Benjamin Davies criticized idea #2200.

In the neo-Darwinian view, any replicator’s primary ‘concern’ is how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals. This view is what Dawkins (IIRC) calls the gene’s eye view, and it applies to ideas as much as it does to genes. Any adaptation of any replicator is primarily in service of this concern.

So I think the answer to your question, “Are ideas also guesses of how to survive in the mind and across substrates …?”, is ‘yes’.

#2200·Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

… any replicator’s primary ‘concern’ is how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals.

Why “at the expense of its rivals”? Isn’t the concern to spread at all, regardless of the outcome of rivals?

  Benjamin Davies criticized idea #2200.

In the neo-Darwinian view, any replicator’s primary ‘concern’ is how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals. This view is what Dawkins (IIRC) calls the gene’s eye view, and it applies to ideas as much as it does to genes. Any adaptation of any replicator is primarily in service of this concern.

So I think the answer to your question, “Are ideas also guesses of how to survive in the mind and across substrates …?”, is ‘yes’.

#2200·Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

… any replicator’s primary ‘concern’ is how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals.

Why “through the population”? Doesn’t this presuppose a replicator needs to exist within a population to do what it does? The first replicator spread with no population to spread into.