Known, Unknown and Unknowable

Zelalem Mekonnen started this discussion 1 day ago.

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When it comes to knowledge, there are three categories. Things we know, things we don't know, and things that are unknowable.

Religion and mysticism can come from confusing the unknown with the unknowable.

Religion can provide a protection against the reality of facing the unknown, which is the only way to create knowledge.

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Zelalem Mekonnen’s avatar

By definition, there is nothing in the unknowable, since it can't be known. One can rationally and with confidence move on and not even entertain anything that claims to be 'beyond human understanding.'

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Dennis Hackethal, about 13 hours ago·#3973

By definition, there is nothing in the unknowable, since it can't be known.

This isn’t true. There are unknowable things. Look up uncomputable functions, see eg

So there are things that computers like our brains can never access – there are fundamental, natural limitations.

In this context, I think of mysticism as restricting criticism and preventing error correction, ie creating a man-made barrier for reason. That’s different.

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Zelalem MekonnenOP revised about 5 hours ago·#3978
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The sentiment of the sentence stands. Even with uncomputable functions, one shouldn't waste time in trying to solve them.

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Zelalem MekonnenOP revised 1 day ago·#3970
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"Man simply invented God in order not to kill himself, that is the summary of universal history down to the moment."

Dostoevsky

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Benjamin Davies, 38 minutes ago·#3985

Why haven't all atheists killed themselves?

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