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The user could publish it as a separate independent idea, including a link to the idea they want to relate/refer to.

Posting a sibling on an existing discussion is far easier.

#2862​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 5 months ago​·​Criticized1Archived

That’s what notifications are for. You’d want to hit the bell icon for each discussion and at the top of the page listing all discussions. Then you’ll be notified of every activity on existing discussions, and of new discussions. The notification page keeps track of read vs unread notifications.

#2861​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 5 months ago​·​Original #2770​·​CriticismArchived

You forgot to count comments on older versions of ideas.

#2860​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 5 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

Note: Discussions with outstanding top-level criticisms do not render a 'criticised' pill like ideas with outstanding criticisms do.

#2857​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​Criticized1Archived

Since discussions themselves are criticisable, is there anything wrong with just titling a discussion 'Karl Popper' and then putting the equivalent of an encyclopedia article in the about section? That is functionally identical to what an article would be, but I am interested if you would prefer discussions not be used that way.

#2856​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​Criticized3Archived

I just realised that it is possible to publish a top-level idea as a 'criticism' in a discussion, in the way I have advocated an article would be criticisable. I am struggling to understand what it means to criticise a discussion. @dennis-hackethal* may you please explain this?

#2855​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​Criticized1Archived

This would work fine for discussion-specific or idea-specific activity feeds, even at scale.

#2854​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

I noticed that the idea count of some discussions in the Discussions page seem to be inaccurate. In the Keeping Tidy discussion, I count 13 ideas, including revisions, while the listing for it on Discussions says it contains 17.

#2853​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

Interview published today, with one of the founders of Wikipedia:
https://youtu.be/8-0vUZ0hTK4?si=Szd_nS4UvCy9Mifi

He argues, like I do, that Wikipedia should allow multiple competing articles on each topic.

I partly agree with him on other problems he identifies, but unfortunately he doesn’t come at it from a Popperian angle.

#2851​·​Benjamin Davies revised 5 months ago​·​Original #2850​·​Archived

Interview published today, with one of the founders of Wikipedia:
https://youtu.be/8-0vUZ0hTK4?si=Szd_nS4UvCy9Mifi

I agree with him on many of the problems he identifies, but he doesn’t come at it from a Popperian angle like I do. He argues, like I do, that Wikipedia should allow multiple competing articles on each topic.

#2850​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​Criticized1Archived

What is wrong with Pokemon? 😂

#2843​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

This could lead to a cool knowledge graph feature down the line, where users could see how ideas might relate across discussions, and which ideas are referred to the most.

#2819​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago

Idea: Links within Veritula could be made bidirectional. While viewing an idea, users could see all the ideas that refer to it. This could be displayed as a list of backlinks at the bottom of the idea’s page.

#2818​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago

The user could publish it as a separate independent idea, including a link to the idea they want to relate/refer to.

This is how relating discussions works currently. For instance, if I start a discussion on Bitcoin, I might want to connect it to the existing discussion on Zcash. At present, the only way to achieve this is by adding a link to the Zcash discussion within my new Bitcoin discussion.

I suspect you would agree with me that this approach to how discussions interact isn’t really an issue. I also think it wouldn’t be an issue for independently published ideas, for the same reasons.

Note: This has lead me to the idea that links within Veritula could be bidirectional. Each idea could have an option to display all other ideas that refer to it. I will submit this as a top-level idea in this thread.

#2816​·​Benjamin Davies revised 5 months ago​·​Original #2815​·​CriticismCriticized3Archived

The user could publish it as a separate independent idea, including a link to the idea they want to relate/refer to.

This is how relating discussions works currently. For instance, if I start a discussion on Bitcoin, I might want to connect it to the existing discussion on Zcash. At present, the only way to achieve this is by adding a link to the Zcash discussion within my new Bitcoin discussion.

I suspect you would agree with me that this approach to how discussions interact isn’t really an issue. I also think it wouldn’t be an issue for independently published ideas, for the same reasons.

#2815​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

What if somebody wanted to post something related that isn’t a comment or criticism? Where/how would they do that?

#2814​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 5 months ago​·​Criticism Battle testedArchived

Yes.

#2813​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​Criticized1Archived

Feature idea: pay people to criticize your idea.

You submit an idea with a ‘criticism bounty’ of ten bucks per criticism received, say.

The amount should be arbitrarily customizable.

There could then be a page for bounties at /bounties. And a page listing a user’s bounties at /:username/bounties.

#2811​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 5 months ago​·​Original #2442​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

I have largely inexplicit criticisms of the word ‘arena’ in this context, but one that bubbled up to the explicit level is that the word reminds me of Pokemon for some reason 😅

#2810​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 5 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

6623c22 implements #2802 and there is no difference in background between footer and page body anymore.

Maybe I’ll figure out the Brave quirk more generally someday, but it’s not noticeably anymore.

#2809​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 5 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

If I wanted to keep and share information on Karl Popper, it would be a lot more intuitive to produce an article on him in encyclopedia style—where I can present information in a hierarchy, rather than creating a discussion and then making each detail about him a top-level idea, which is more chaotic.

You already don’t have to do divvy it up like that. Nothing is stopping you from creating a discussion called ‘Karl Popper’ and then posting a single, long-form, top-level idea where you present information in a hierarchy.

#2808​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 5 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

Forget the term ‘article’ for a second. It sounds like you want the ability to post ideas without having to associate them with a discussion, is that right?

#2807​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 5 months ago​·​Archived

‘page’ status

What is a page status? How did you determine that an idea’s page status is not the same as a Wikipedia article’s?

#2806​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 5 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

As far as search engines are concerned, every idea page is already a standalone page. Not an SEO expert but I cannot imagine search engines penalize URLs containing an ID.

#2805​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 5 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

Done as of a12ffb3, see eg https://veritula.com/discussions/veritula-meta/activities and the new link to ‘Activity’ at the top of each discussion.

#2804​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 5 months ago​·​CriticismArchived