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So just stay up 18 hours every day, and sleep in the next day by the extra two hours (assuming 8, which seems optimal for me).

#5212​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago​·​Criticism Battle-tested

I do fall asleep more quickly the longer I've been awake, but not by as much as one would hope. After being up 18 hours, it still may take an hour or more for me to fall asleep.

#5211​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago​·​Criticized1

If I had a large dinner only two hours before attempting sleep, the trouble to fall asleep seems about the same as if I have an empty stomach, or any other degree of fullness on that continuum.

#5210​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago​·​Criticism

I suspect the issue is mental, because I sometimes feel tired getting into bed, then immediately feel progressively less tired, the longer I am in bed. The tiredness sometimes comes and goes, over the course of maybe one or two hours, before sleep comes. This suggests to me that my thinking is causing my wakefulness. I have observed this effect for as long as I can remember.

#5209​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago​·​Criticism

On days when I have extensively exercised, worked, socialized or all of the above, my trouble falling asleep seems largely unchanged. (It still often takes ~2 hours, without chemical intervention.)

#5208​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago​·​Criticism

On days where I have not looked at a screen at all, my trouble falling asleep is the same.

#5207​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago​·​Criticism

Adhere to standard sleep hygiene. That will help you fall asleep in a reasonable time (<30mins?) and get a healthy 7-8 hours.

#5206​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago​·​Criticized4

Time-release melatonin also does not noticeably affect the larger issue for me of falling asleep.

#5205​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago

Time-release melatonin has solved the backfire problem for me. But I don't want to be dependent on it forever to get a good 8 hours.

#5204​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago​·​Criticized2

Standard melatonin backfires, causing me (and at least one other person I know) to wake up at around hour 5 after falling asleep (maybe when it has finished metabolizing). This is bad, especially if it means you cannot fall back asleep (as in my case, more than half the time).

#5203​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago

I am sometimes physically tired by hour 16 of the day, but I can easily stay up and continue working to hour 18 or 20. I have no caffeine or nighttime sugar.

#5202​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago

Falling asleep has been a lifelong challenge for me. I suspect there is a "preference fight" going on, among other things, keeping my thoughts highly active.

#5201​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 12 hours ago