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I think you run into circular dependence if you exhaustively try to account for brain function by information processing. Even Claud Shannon’s definition of information is dependent upon a «mind/perspective» defining a range of possible states. The world devoid of any perspective would have infinite states and systems depending on how you «view the world». An example I have previously given is the flickering flags computation in the tv show (books) Three body problem. This computation is dependent on a mind defining states and logical relations.

#1290​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø, over 1 year ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

If we use Claud Shannon’s framework of understanding information as reducing uncertainty, a light switch doesn’t contain information. But the problem with all kinds of information is that it is dependent on how you subjectively define states and uncertainty. Information is always relative to a certain «perspective».

#1288​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø, over 1 year ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

Wouldn't the more correct framing be the mind has automatic programs and consciousness? In other words, the mind has a dual process of explicit thoughts and conscious reflection on the one hand, and ingrained habits or "mental programs" on the other.

#1260​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø revised over 1 year ago​·​Original #1128​·​Criticized2

Wouldn't the more correct framing be the mind has automatic programs and consciousness? In other words, the mind has a dual process of explicit thoughts and conscious reflection on the one hand, and ingrained habits or "mental programs" on the other.

#1259​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø revised over 1 year ago​·​Original #1128​·​Criticized2

Wouldn't the more correct framing be the mind has automatic programs and consciousness? In other words, the mind has a dual process of explicit thoughts and conscious reflection on the one hand, and ingrained habits or "mental programs" on the other.

#1255​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø revised over 1 year ago​·​Original #1128​·​Criticized2

I know. But we don’t don't know if consciousness can emerge as a byproduct of computation, so I think Rands distinction is useful until proven false. Programs run according to their rules, while consciousness seems to transcend "its own rules", which is why it can be creative. To create rules with self-awareness isn’t an incremental improvement that logically follows from what we know of rules and programs today (as I can see it). I see there was another thread on this topic though, so I’ll go in and drop my comments there!

#1222​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø, over 1 year ago​·​Criticized2

What do you think of: it’s the fact that the law of the excluded middle that constrains the universe to exist. Nothing can’t exist, so the only alternative that’s left is for something to exist.

#1194​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø revised over 1 year ago​·​Original #521​·​Criticized2

Wouldn't the more correct framing be the mind has automatic programs and consciousness? In other words the mind has a dual process of explicit thoughts and conscious reflection and ingrained habits or "mental programs" on the other.

#1192​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø revised over 1 year ago​·​Original #1128​·​Criticized2

I misread your text. I originally read it as the whole mind is a program (or programs).

#1191​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø, over 1 year ago​·​Criticized1

Fixed

#1190​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø, over 1 year ago​·​Criticized2

Wouldn't the more correct framing be the mind has automatic programs and consciousness? In other words, the mind has a dual process of explicit thoughts and conscious reflection on the one hand, and ingrained habits or "mental programs" on the other.

#1189​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø revised over 1 year ago​·​Original #1128​·​CriticismCriticized2

Wouldn't the more correct framing be the mind has automatic programs and consciousness? In other words the mind has a dual process of explicit thoughts and conscious reflection and ingrained habits or "mental programs" on the other.

#1130​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø revised over 1 year ago​·​Original #1128​·​CriticismCriticized2