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I don’t know what kind of phone you use, but iPhone keyboards have support for multiple languages. You can switch between them. Should make false autocorrects rarer.

#3771​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 4 months ago​·​Original #3770

Humans use flight-related words even though we can’t fly. From ChatGPT:

  • Elevated (thinking, mood, language)
  • High-level (ideas, overview)
  • Soar (ambitions, prices, imagination)
  • Take off (projects, careers)
  • Grounded (arguments, people)
  • Up in the air (uncertain)
  • Overview (“over-see” from above)
  • Perspective (originally spatial vantage point)
  • Lofty (ideals, goals)
  • Aboveboard (open, visible)
  • Rise / fall (status, power, ideas)
  • Sky-high (expectations, costs)
  • Aerial view (conceptual overview)
  • Head in the clouds (impractical thinking)
#3769​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

I think that depends on the "embodiment" of the AGI; that is, what it's like to be that AGI and how its normal world appears.

Yeah maybe but again (#3693), those are parochial factors, starting points. Ideas are more important. AGI could just switch bodies rapidly anyway.

#3768​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

So to train an AGI, I would think it's more useful for that AGI to leverage the salient aspects that are pre-given.

You don’t “train” an AGI any more than you’d “train” a child. We’re not talking about dogs here.

#3767​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

2) Skepticism is too different from fallibilism to consider it a continuation.

#3766​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

I don’t think so, for two reasons. 1) Skepticism came long before Popper’s fallibilism.

#3765​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

You’re young. Now’s the time to take (educated, calculated) risks. Even if quitting turns out to be a mistake, you have all the time in the world to correct the mistake and recover. You can always find some day job somewhere. But you may not always be able to pursue your passion.

#3763​·​Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

You describe your job as “excruciating”. That’s reason to quit.

#3762​·​Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

No, see #3706. I’m open to user input (within reason). That covers creative parts. The non-creative parts can be automated by definition.

#3760​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 4 months ago​·​Original #3710​·​Criticism

If this is the case, it would make sense to make AGI as similar to ourselves as possible, so AGI can use our pre-existing knowledge more directly.

#3754​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø, 4 months ago

A heuristic or heuristic technique (problem solving, mental shortcut, rule of thumb) is any approach to problem solving that employs a pragmatic method that is not fully optimized, perfected, or rationalized, but is nevertheless "good enough" as an approximation or attribute substitution.

None of this means a heuristic couldn’t be programmed. On the contrary, heuristics sound easier to program than full-fledged, ‘proper’ algorithms.

I’d be happy to see some pseudo-code that uses workarounds/heuristics. That’d be a fine starting point.

#3750​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

Persephone vs axis tilt is low-hanging fruit. The reader finds it easy to disagree with the Persephone myth and easy to agree with the axis tilt, from cultural background alone. But that doesn’t mean there’s anything to hard to vary.

#3747​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

Read The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. That should give you some fuel to move forward.

If that’s too long, watch ‘The Simplest Thing in the World’

#3746​·​Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago

You’re right, my mistake.

#3745​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago

One part of my question was whether a formal criterion can be applied universally. If the citerion itself must be chosen, like for instance what brings more fun, meaning, practical utility, then by what criterion do we choose the criterion? Or is the answer simply to apply the same process of critical examination to everything that arises, until a coherent path emerges?

The other part was how you actually critize an implicit or unconcious idea. If you have an unconcious idea that gives rise to a conflicting feeling for instance, how do you critisize a feeling?

#3744​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø revised 4 months ago​·​Original #3731

That was autocorrect from my cellphone. Mye means alot in Norwegian. Not a good idea to have autocorrect on when you're writing in two languages..

#3743​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø, 4 months ago

Getting ideas to jibe/cohere seems like a more and more fundamental idea the more I think about it.

Agreed. There’s more to it than meets the eye. For example, maybe capitalism can be thought of as society-wide common-preference finding (#3013). Rationality might work the same way across minds as it does within a single mind. Capitalism as an expression of rationality in society.

As for virtues, I think some virtues are more fundamental than others. There are some virtues I think people should adopt. Like, rationality depends on them. But the core functionality of the mind as a whole does not. There’s a difference between creativity and rationality. Which virtues someone adopts and why and how they prioritize them in different situations is downstream of creativity as a whole.

I don’t know if activating higher virtues always resolves conflicts between ideas. But it could put them on hold for a while, yeah. If I see a venomous snake, my main priority is to get to safety (life as the ultimate value, as objectivists would say).

#3742​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago

Just referring here to alters as the clinical word for 'the other dissociated personalities

#3740​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

It seems more plausible to me that associative identity disorder actually is more like the division of a mind. They often recall meeting each other in dreams (seeing the other alters from their local perspective within the dream). So it seems that the split goes further, and actually gives rise to different experiences within a mind. They live and experience from different perspectives, and start communicating with each other more like distinct minds. In split-brain patients, the left and right hemispheres can disagree on what clothing to wear in the morning, and physically fight over wearing a tie or not.

#3738​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø revised 4 months ago​·​Original #3677

Or is the answer simply to apply the same process of critical examination to everything that arises, until a coherent path emerges?

Yeah, I think so.

If you have an unconcious idea that gives rise to a conflicting feeling for instance, how do you critisize a feeling?

For example, you could observe that you’re feeling sad even though only good things have been happening to you. So the sadness doesn’t make sense (at least on the surface). And then you can introspect from there.

#3737​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago

Interesting! Getting ideas to jibe/cohere seems like a more and more fundamental idea the more I think about it. Has anyone explored whether the collection of ideas in a person's mind must have a specific structure?

When discussing virtues, you seem to suggest a hierarchical organization of ideas, as opposed to ideas competing horizontally for attention and salience. It appears that ideas organize vertically in a hierarchy, where activating "higher-level" ideas automatically resolves conflicts among lower-level ones. For example, if a snake suddenly appears next to you, all previous internal conflicts dissolve because self-preservation is among the most dominant (highest) ideas in their value structure.

However, individuals can construct even higher-order values that override self-preservation. The structure seems hierarchical: when a top-level idea is activated, there seems to be some alignment in lower level ideas.

#3736​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø revised 4 months ago​·​Original #3735

Has anyone explored whether the collection of ideas in a person's mind must have a specific structure?

When discussing virtues, you seem to suggest a hierarchical organization of ideas, as opposed to ideas competing horizontally for attention and salience. It appears that ideas organize vertically in a hierarchy, where activating "higher-level" ideas automatically resolves conflicts among lower-level ones. For example, if a snake suddenly appears next to you, all previous internal conflicts dissolve because self-preservation is among the most dominant (highest) ideas in their value structure.

However, individuals can construct even higher-order values that override self-preservation. The structure seems hierarchical: when a top-level idea is activated, there seems to be some alignment in lower level ideas.

#3735​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø, 4 months ago

mye

How does this happen? (Not a metaphorical question.)

#3734​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

Or it might, who knows? An AGI, just like humans, would move around in the world and discover that metaphors are useful, so it might as well use spatial metaphors. If it did, that would be due to convergent evolution of ideas. And even if it didn’t, that could just be because the ideas didn’t converge, not because AGIs don’t have brains.

#3733​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago​·​Criticism

Aah, then I agree. I thought you meant AGI would develop the same metaphors independently.

#3730​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø, 4 months ago