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In that same vein, why couldn't we class biology (evolution) under epistemology?

#2260·Dirk Meulenbelt, 4 months ago

Yes, but that inhirent in biology (evolution) right? I see it as part of the evolutionary strand for this reason.

#2259·Edwin de Wit, 4 months ago

I currently see Constructor Theory as a meta-theory. A different mode of explanation. But it raises an interesting question: does CT actually qualify as a deeper theory than the four strands? Even if we were to express all four strands in constructor-theoretic terms, that alone wouldn’t make it explain more or have greater reach. So when would it truly deserve to be considered a strand/theory of everything?

#2258·Edwin de Wit, 4 months ago

Economics as a fundamental study of trade-offs.

#2257·Dirk Meulenbelt, 4 months ago

My point is rather that it's not so clean a line between explicit and inexplicit. You're a doctor, so imagine the steps being something like:

  1. Extensive description of patient's symptoms, test results, conclusion, etc, in English.
  2. Same as above but mostly made out of quick notes by attending doctors and nurses.
  3. Only a collection of test names and test results. Test results accompanied by Chinese.
  4. Just a collection of numbers coming out of tests, without saying which test.

Arguably all the information is always there, and can be read off, but with increasing difficulty, requiring you to learn another language, or do a series of deductions.

#2256·Dirk Meulenbelt, 4 months ago

Haha not a programmer so understood maybe half of it, but I think I see what you mean. There'll always be inexplicit parts to every explanation. My concept of explanations is that there must be at least some explicit part for it to be called an explanation. That's why genes aren't explanations.

#2255·Erik Orrje, 4 months ago

That’s a valid point but doesn’t belong here. I have instead edited a related idea.

#2252·Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago·Criticism

The pruning mechanism is part of it, but there’s more. Again, there’s also competition between ideas and even predatory behavior that can result in the elimination of ideas. All such phenomena taken together constitute natural selection in the mind.

#2247·Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago·Criticism

… Rat Festers cite Popper and Deutsch as if they are infallible.

Shouldn’t it be ‘as if they were infallible’?

#2246·Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago·Criticism

Fixed as of 2025-10-08.

#2245·Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago·Criticism

Hardly anyone reads those, and many of those who do forget.

#2244·Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago·Criticism

Let's fuck with your intuitions a little bit:

Say "stop" when it's no longer an explanation:

  • Didactic chapter in plain English with examples and edge cases, distilled into a concise technical note with formal definitions, invariants, and pseudocode.

  • Literate program interleaving prose and code, or a heavily commented Python implementation with docstrings and tests.

  • The same code stripped of comments/tests and then minified or obfuscated (e.g., Python one‑liner, obfuscated C), up through esolangs and formalisms (Brainfuck, untyped lambda calculus with Church numerals, SKI combinators).

  • Operational specifications with minimal labels (Turing machine tables), then hand‑written assembly without labels and self‑modifying tricks, down to raw machine code bytes/hex and binary blobs with unknown ISA or entry point.

  • The same bits recast as DNA base mapping with unknown block codec, unknown compression, encrypted archives indistinguishable from noise, arbitrary bitstrings for unspecified UTMs, or physical media (flux/RF) without modulation specs.

#2238·Dirk Meulenbelt, 4 months ago

Hmm never thought of that, interesting! I think since the disease involves continuous loss of brain volume, harsware decay seems like the best explanation.

In general I think it makes sense to speak of diseases in neurology (e.g. Alzheimer's, Parkinsons, stroke) as bad hardware and psychiatric disease as bad software. But it could very well be that some of those diagnoses are miscategorised.

#2237·Erik Orrje, 4 months ago

It might worth stating that the aim of Veritula, along with the fallibilism philosophy, is that progress is both desirable ant attainable, and the way to get to progress is thru rational means. This means end to mysticism, supernatural and all other ideas that have an implicit underlying sentiment that a given thing is beyond our understanding.

#2234·Zelalem Mekonnen, 4 months ago

Makes sense, thanks Dennis. Constant pruning is the explanation that retains scarcity and competition, while making the brain seem to have much more memory than it does.

#2233·Erik Orrje, 4 months ago

I have speculated in the past that ideas compete for attention, but they also compete for any kind of memory, be it something like RAM or hard-disk memory. The RAM-like memory in the brain is presumably closely related to working memory, if not the same.

The reason most people don’t (permanently) run out memory (of either kind) isn’t that memory isn’t scarce but that there’s a pruning mechanism in the mind. And again, there’s competition. That competition can involve predatory ideas which disassemble the source code of other ideas and use it for themselves because that’s cheaper than to construct source code from scratch.

#2228·Dennis Hackethal revised 4 months ago·Original #2226·Criticism

By the way, how is this a criticism? #2200 makes no mention of memory.

#2227·Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago·Criticism

Everyone has scarce memory. Everyone’s brain has limited storage space.

#2224·Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago·Criticism

Then you counter-criticize them for whatever you think they lack (which should be easy if they really aren’t good), thus addressing them and restoring the idea.

#2221·Dennis HackethalOP revised 4 months ago·Original #2123·Criticism

Then the idea should be revised to adjust or exclude the criticized part(s).

#2220·Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago·Criticism

… I don’t yet know how to reconcile that, nor do I have a satisfactory alternative theory or criticism to offer.

Do #2140 and its children help as an alternative theory?

#2217·Dennis HackethalOP revised 4 months ago·Original #2215

… I don’t yet know how to reconcile that, nor do I have a satisfactory alternative theory or criticism to offer.

You do know criticisms, see #2094.

#2214·Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago·Criticism

We can criticize theories for lacking structure, resilience, depth, reach, etc. But again, if we want to avoid justificationism, theories that do have those attributes don’t get points for having them.

#2213·Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago·Criticism

[L]abeling explanations as good or bad can itself be a form of positive argument.

Labeling them good, yes. But not labeling them bad.

#2212·Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago·Criticism

Citations needed.

#2211·Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago·Criticism