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Nick, I think your criticisms are indirectly addressing my concerns. Would you say the framing of "The brain is a computer" does more to obscure and mislead than to illuminate?
We can invoke the word "computer" to say that the brain processes information.
But if that's all we're saying, then I'd say the word "computer" brings so much irrelevant baggage that it might be counterproductive.
Is this why you object to using the word "computer?"

#567​·​Tom Nassis revised almost 2 years ago​·​Original #566

Nick, I think your criticisms are indirectly addressing my concerns.

Would you say the framing of "The brain is a computer" does more to obscure and mislead than to illuminate?
We can invoke the word "computer" to say that the brain processes information.
But if that's all we're saying, then I'd say the word "computer" brings so much irrelevant baggage that it might be counterproductive.
Is this why you object to using the word "computer?"

#566​·​Tom Nassis, almost 2 years ago

as Dennis states below

It was below when you wrote the comment, but now that it’s rendered it’s actually above! Will revise this part for you.

#563​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago​·​Criticism

Well, discussions are necessarily a ‘social’ activity in that they involve at least two people, yes. I just don’t want Veritula to be yet another social network.

In a mixed society, people can prioritize truth seeking or fitting in but not both.

#562​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago​·​Archived

The mind is a computer. An individual person is a computer.

No, the mind is a program. A computer is a physical object; the mind is not.

In a Deutschian understanding, ‘person’ and ‘mind’ are synonymous. So a person isn’t a computer, either. A person is also a program.

#560​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised almost 2 years ago​·​Original #559​·​Criticism

You may consider it banal but is it false?

An OR gate takes two bits of information and transforms them into a single bit of information by following a specific rule. It clearly processes information. And if that’s true for an OR gate, why not for the brain?

#558​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago​·​Criticism

Veritula deserves to scale to the size of Wikipedia.

But it never will, unless its users innovate.

How can the global success of Wikipedia inspire Veritula?

#554​·​Tom Nassis, almost 2 years ago

I know what you mean, but Veritula unavoidably facilitates public (i.e. social) interactions, no? Of a certain kind, to be clear. Ideas, ideas, ideas.

#553​·​Tom Nassis revised almost 2 years ago​·​Original #552​·​Archived

I know what you mean, but Veritula unavoidably facilitates public (i.e. social) interactions, no?

#552​·​Tom Nassis, almost 2 years ago​·​Archived

Thank you, Dennis.👍

#551​·​Tom Nassis, almost 2 years ago​·​Archived

#550​·​Tom Nassis, almost 2 years ago​·​Archived

#549​·​Tom Nassis, almost 2 years ago​·​Archived

Well non-existence, by definition, can’t exist, right? Rules itself out.

#546​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised almost 2 years ago​·​Original #527​·​Criticism

I’d like that.

And yes inexplicit criticism is good! And not taking infinite criticism is bad. Someone should make a list of understandable pitfalls one ought to avoid when trying to apply critical rationalism.

(Logan Chipkin)

#545​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago

Inexplicit criticism is good, maybe you can make it explicit someday and we can continue.

#544​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago

Yes, it should. I am left with no counterargument but a mild sense of dissatisfaction.

(Logan Chipkin)

#543​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago

To the question of existence.

#542​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago​·​Criticism

Since you agree (#539) that logic is part of philosophy, the law of the excluded middle should satisfy you as a philosophical answer, no?

#540​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago​·​Criticism

Yes (Logan Chipkin)

#539​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago

Is logic part of philosophy?

#538​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago

Doesn’t physics presume the existence of physical objects and laws? Ie it presumes the existence of something physical. So it presumes existence itself. In which case physics can’t be the arbiter here.

#536​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago​·​Criticism

That’s not a counterargument - so maybe that’s it, after all.

(Logan Chipkin)

#534​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago​·​Criticism

If non-existence is to mean anything at all, I think that’s it, yes.

#532​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago​·​Criticism Battle-tested

Btw I do sometimes wonder if the problem of explaining why there’s something rather than nothing is connected to the fact that there’s a difference between Platonic reality and physical reality.

(Logan Chipkin)

#531​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago

I don’t mean it as a word game, I mean it literally.

#529​·​Dennis HackethalOP, almost 2 years ago​·​Criticism