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We don’t need to take ‘good vs bad’ to be the only meaningful dichotomy for the idea to stand, so Edwin’s idea is not important to the argument.

#2561​·​Benjamin Davies, 4 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

I meant this conception from #2073:

My current view is that the only meaningful dichotomy is good vs. bad

If we take ‘good vs bad’ to be the only meaningful dichotomy, and if we state that ‘good’ is the equivalent of ‘not bad’, I think that bridges Popper and Deutsch.

#2560​·​Benjamin Davies, 4 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

If “good” is considered the same as “not bad” doesn’t that close the gap between Deutsch and Popper? (Using Edwin’s conception of good and bad.)

If “bad” = “contains known flaws”,
and “not bad” = “contains no known flaws”,
why can’t “good” = “contains no known flaws” too?

I can see no reason that “good” means anything more than “not bad”.

Similarly, “hard to vary” would just be an equivalent of “not easy to vary”.

#2533​·​Benjamin Davies revised 4 months ago​·​Original #2530​·​CriticismCriticized3Archived

If “good” is considered the same as “not bad” doesn’t that close the gap between Deutsch and Popper?

If “bad” = “contains known flaws”,
and “not bad” = “contains no known flaws”,
why can’t “good” = “contains no known flaws” too?

I can see no reason that “good” means anything more than “not bad”.

Similarly, “hard to vary” would just be an equivalent of “not easy to vary”.

#2531​·​Benjamin Davies revised 4 months ago​·​Original #2530​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

If “good” is considered the same as “not bad” doesn’t that close the gap between Deutsch and Popper?

If “bad” = “contains known flaws”,
and “not bad” = “contains no known flaws”,
why can’t “good” = “contains no known flaws” too?

I can see no reason that “good” means anything more than “not bad”.

#2530​·​Benjamin Davies, 4 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

Yes, but bad actors are a separate problem to solve (as you have alluded to in #2513, where you mention “good citizens”).

The problem we are addressing here is giving people a fair time window to respond to criticisms after they are published.

Edit: after reviewing the thread, I see that you were more focused on the bad actors problem while I was more focused on giving people fair time to respond. I believe what I am saying still stands, but maybe it belongs somewhere higher up the chain.

#2522​·​Benjamin Davies revised 4 months ago​·​Original #2519​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

Yes, but bad actors are a separate problem to solve (as you have alluded to in #2513, where you mention “good citizens”).

The problem we are addressing here is giving people a fair time window to respond to criticisms after they are published.

Edit: after reviewing the thread, I see that you were more focused on the bad actors problem while I was more focused on giving people fair time to respond. I believe what I am saying still stands.

#2520​·​Benjamin Davies revised 4 months ago​·​Original #2519​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

Yes, but bad actors are a separate problem to solve (as you have alluded to in #2513, where you mention “good citizens”).

The problem we are addressing here is giving people a fair time window to respond to criticisms after they are published.

#2519​·​Benjamin Davies, 4 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

Since I am getting an error when I try to edit #2479, I will make a new criticism. I think #2479 is unclear.

I would have it that each criticism and counter-criticism resets the countdown on the bounty deadline. This means everyone involved is given fair time to respond at each turn.

A small downside is that a bounty can go on indefinitely, but that is simply an extension of the fact that solutions to problems don’t come reliably.

#2501​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

Supply: A limited supply (scarcity) may increase the value.

The scarcity of a useless thing doesn’t make it less useless.

#2498​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​Criticism

Durability, Portability, Divisibility, Fungibility, and Stability

These are all secondary values.
The durability of something is irrelevant if the thing itself is useless.
The portability of something is irrelevant if the thing itself is useless.
The divisibility of something is irrelevant if the thing itself is useless.
Etcetera, etcetera.

The only demand for something like this comes from either a mistaken understanding of what ‘value’ is/means (e.g. believing that the ‘durability’ of something otherwise useless makes it valuable), or from the Keynesian Beauty Contest linked above.

This dynamic makes cryptos wonderful as instruments of speculation, but they will never be money unless they are backed by some independently useful commodity (which IIRC some actually are), or are made legal tender by some government (which defeats the point).

#2497​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

The part that is easy to vary is that an arbitrary amount of different cryptos can be made with the same features.

The features themselves can be as specific as you like but the overall argument is still extremely easy to vary, because it is an argument for a specific cryptocurrency.

It is the same as arguing for a specific god because the god you like has specific features. The god itself is still easy to vary.

#2496​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

The counter-criticism moves the deadline forward again the same fixed amount.

#2479​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

I think definitely worth trying, sounds like fun

#2477​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago

The timeframe to address the criticism should start counting down from the moment the criticism is made, rather than the original post. So it would be a continuous thing rather than a single deadline for everyone.

The OP could end the bounty if there are no outstanding criticisms and he no longer seeks a solution.

#2476​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

Yes, that was what I was thinking. Presumably the OP could set their own deadline timeframe too.

#2475​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​Archived

I think it is more that it is a permanent record of things I have written that may one day be used as an attack vector. It means I need to really mean what I write, so that I can stand behind it (even as potentially an honest mistake) if someone tries to use it against me.

#2474​·​Benjamin DaviesOP, 5 months ago​·​Criticized1

Nevermind, this was addressed by #2462

#2469​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

Why should reacts persist through revisions?

#2468​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

How do you ensure the criticism is worthy of the bounty?

#2467​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

I notice that when I amend a criticism I have made, I’m not able to see what I am criticising. It would be good if the edit screen showed the comment I am disagreeing with similar to how it does when I first go to write a criticism.

#2430​·​Benjamin Davies revised 5 months ago​·​Original #2429​·​CriticismCriticized1Archived

I notice that when I amend a criticism I have made, I’m not able to see what I am criticising. It would be good if the edit screen showed the comment I am disagreeing with similar to how it does when I first go to write a criticism.

#2429​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​Criticized1Archived

Why not some other cryptocurrency that also has those features?
For example, why not an existing or future fork of Zcash?

“[Insert favoured cryptocurrency] will become the next money” is an extremely easy to vary statement.

#2427​·​Benjamin Davies revised 5 months ago​·​Original #2426​·​CriticismCriticized1

Why not some other cryptocurrency that also has those features?
For example, why not an existing or future fork of Zcash?

#2426​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

Utility is not a necessary aspect of money.

Money without other use cases only holds value to the degree it can continuously win a Keynesian Beauty Contest in the market.

In other words, it has no underlying value.

#2425​·​Benjamin Davies, 5 months ago​·​Criticism