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  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #5744.

I agree that this is not “learning” in the special Deutschian sense of universal knowledge creation. I was using “learning” in the ordinary biological sense of experience-dependent changes in processing and behavior.

In fact, the passage you link makes that distinction explicitly: Deutsch allows that the robot’s useful change can be called learning, while denying that it constitutes genuine creation of new knowledge.

That distinction is actually part of my point. I’m not claiming continuity in universal creativity between humans and other animals. I’m pointing to continuity in the older, non-universal capacities (such as sensory, nociceptive, affective and ordinary learning processes). Whether those processes can support phenomenal experience is precisely what is under discussion.

#5744​·​Vincent Brunsch, 13 days ago

Ok but whether systems unrelated to learning in the Deutschian sense have continuity doesn’t seem to matter then.

The evolution of feathers has continuity in birds. So what? How does that matter for consciousness?