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  Dennis Hackethal commented on idea #543.

Yes, it should. I am left with no counterargument but a mild sense of dissatisfaction.

(Logan Chipkin)

#543·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

Inexplicit criticism is good, maybe you can make it explicit someday and we can continue.

  Dennis Hackethal commented on criticism #542.

To the question of existence.

#542·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

Yes, it should. I am left with no counterargument but a mild sense of dissatisfaction.

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #541.

You mean to the question of existence, or in general? Cuz in general I’d think of it as a criticism.

(Logan Chipkin)

#541·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

To the question of existence.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #540.

Since you agree (#539) that logic is part of philosophy, the law of the excluded middle should satisfy you as a philosophical answer, no?

#540·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

You mean to the question of existence, or in general? Cuz in general I’d think of it as a criticism.

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #537.

Good point - philosophy, then.

(Logan Chipkin)

#537·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

Since you agree (#539) that logic is part of philosophy, the law of the excluded middle should satisfy you as a philosophical answer, no?

  Dennis Hackethal commented on idea #538.

Is logic part of philosophy?

#538·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

Yes (Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal commented on criticism #537.

Good point - philosophy, then.

(Logan Chipkin)

#537·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

Is logic part of philosophy?

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #536.

Doesn’t physics presume the existence of physical objects and laws? Ie it presumes the existence of something physical. So it presumes existence itself. In which case physics can’t be the arbiter here.

#536·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

Good point - philosophy, then.

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #535.

I would think that the solution comes either from physics or from philosophy that comes out of some physical theory.

(Logan Chipkin)

#535·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

Doesn’t physics presume the existence of physical objects and laws? Ie it presumes the existence of something physical. So it presumes existence itself. In which case physics can’t be the arbiter here.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #532.

If non-existence is to mean anything at all, I think that’s it, yes.

#532·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

I would think that the solution comes either from physics or from philosophy that comes out of some physical theory.

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #533.

I would be amazed if that is why there is something rather than nothing.

(Logan Chipkin)

#533·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

That’s not a counterargument - so maybe that’s it, after all.

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #532.

If non-existence is to mean anything at all, I think that’s it, yes.

#532·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

I would be amazed if that is why there is something rather than nothing.

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #530.

Is non-existence really existing if there’s nothing at all?

(Logan Chipkin)

#530·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

If non-existence is to mean anything at all, I think that’s it, yes.

  Dennis Hackethal commented on criticism #530.

Is non-existence really existing if there’s nothing at all?

(Logan Chipkin)

#530·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

Btw I do sometimes wonder if the problem of explaining why there’s something rather than nothing is connected to the fact that there’s a difference between Platonic reality and physical reality.

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #527.

Well non-existence, by definition, can’t exist, right?

#527·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

Is non-existence really existing if there’s nothing at all?

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #528.

I think that’s just a word game.

(Logan Chipkin)

#528·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

I don’t mean it as a word game, I mean it literally.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #527.

Well non-existence, by definition, can’t exist, right?

#527·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

I think that’s just a word game.

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #525.

I don’t see why nonexistence cannot also be a logical possibility.

If nonexistence is logically possible, and existence is logically possible, we need to explain why the latter has been physicalized in the first place.

(Logan Chipkin)

#525·​Dennis HackethalOP revised about 2 years ago

Well non-existence, by definition, can’t exist, right?

  Dennis Hackethal revised criticism #522. The revision addresses idea #523.

I don’t see why nonexistence cannot also be a logical possibility.

If nonexistence is logically possible, and existence is logically possible, we need to explain why the former has been physicalized in the first place.

(Logan Chipkin)

I don’t see why nonexistence cannot also be a logical possibility.

If nonexistence is logically possible, and existence is logically possible, we need to explain why the latter has been physicalized in the first place.

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal commented on criticism #523.

The latter?

#523·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

Sorry yes

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #522.

I don’t see why nonexistence cannot also be a logical possibility.

If nonexistence is logically possible, and existence is logically possible, we need to explain why the former has been physicalized in the first place.

(Logan Chipkin)

#522·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

The latter?

  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #521.

What do you think of: it’s the law of the excluded middle that causes the universe to exist. Nothing can’t exist, so the only alternative that’s left is for something to exist.

#521·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

I don’t see why nonexistence cannot also be a logical possibility.

If nonexistence is logically possible, and existence is logically possible, we need to explain why the former has been physicalized in the first place.

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal posted idea #521.

What do you think of: it’s the law of the excluded middle that causes the universe to exist. Nothing can’t exist, so the only alternative that’s left is for something to exist.

  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #519.

Yes. Which doesn’t problematize most of her other ideas, fortunately.

But my guess is that any false idea could, if not corrected, result in humanity’s demise. So, should all of Rand’s ideas spread to fixation, we could have her to thank for going the way of the dodo.

Of course the fact that this ‘exist as foundationalism’ idea does not problematize her other ideas goes both ways - opponents of Objectivism cannot appeal to that idea as a wholesale refutation of Objectivism.

(Logan Chipkin)

Yes. Which doesn’t problematize most of her other ideas, fortunately.

But my guess is that any false idea could, if not corrected, result in humanity’s demise. So, should any of Rand’s ideas spread to fixation, we could have her to thank for going the way of the dodo.

Of course the fact that this ‘existence as foundationalism’ idea does not problematize her other ideas goes both ways - opponents of Objectivism cannot appeal to that idea as a wholesale refutation of Objectivism.

(Logan Chipkin)

  Dennis Hackethal commented on criticism #518.

Sounds like she treats existence as an ultimate bedrock. Foundationalism.

#518·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 years ago

Yes. Which doesn’t problematize most of her other ideas, fortunately.

But my guess is that any false idea could, if not corrected, result in humanity’s demise. So, should all of Rand’s ideas spread to fixation, we could have her to thank for going the way of the dodo.

Of course the fact that this ‘exist as foundationalism’ idea does not problematize her other ideas goes both ways - opponents of Objectivism cannot appeal to that idea as a wholesale refutation of Objectivism.

(Logan Chipkin)