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  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #325.

Hiccdown methods should live in their own, separate modules. How about they are called ‘displays’?

module ProductsDisplay
  def self.index vc, # …
    vc.some_helper_method
  end
end

A benefit of this approach is that, when people start a new Rails app, they may end up putting whatever they’d otherwise put in a helper in a display, since displays have the benefit of having unambiguously resolvable method names.

#325 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

Instance variables are not available inside the methods.

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #325.

Hiccdown methods should live in their own, separate modules. How about they are called ‘displays’?

module ProductsDisplay
  def self.index vc, # …
    vc.some_helper_method
  end
end

A benefit of this approach is that, when people start a new Rails app, they may end up putting whatever they’d otherwise put in a helper in a display, since displays have the benefit of having unambiguously resolvable method names.

#325 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

I’m trying this now. Having to prepend every invocation of a helper method with vc. is getting really old really fast.

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #316.
Hiccdown methods should live in their own, separate modules. How about they are called ‘renderers’?↵
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```ruby↵
module ProductsRenderer↵
‘displays’?↵
↵
```ruby↵
module ProductsDisplay↵
  def self.index vc, # …
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A benefit of this approach is that, when people start a new Rails app, they may end up putting whatever they’d otherwise put in a helper in a renderer,display, since renderersdisplays have the benefit of having unambiguously resolvable method names.
3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #322.
Tested, it works. `self` does indeed point to the `view_context` in the helper. Verified by printing `object_id`s.
3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #321.

Test this!

#321 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

Tested, it works.

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #315.

I don’t think that’s something people would do a lot, but they still easily could: ProductsRenderer.index(self)

#315 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

Test this!

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal commented on criticism #319.

I don’t like the term ‘renderer’ yet. It’s too loaded with meaning, what with Rails already having a render method in controllers and another render method in views…

#319 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

Maybe ‘Display’. ProductsDisplay

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #316.

Hiccdown methods should live in their own, separate modules. How about they are called ‘renderers’?

module ProductsRenderer
  def self.index vc, # …
    vc.some_helper_method
  end
end

A benefit of this approach is that, when people start a new Rails app, they may end up putting whatever they’d otherwise put in a helper in a renderer, since renderers have the benefit of having unambiguously resolvable method names.

#316 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

I don’t like the term ‘renderer’ yet. It’s too loaded with meaning, what with Rails already having a render method in controllers and another render method in views…

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #314.
Then how would you call this`index` from a helper method?
3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #313.
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end↵ end↵ ```end↵ end↵ ```↵ ↵ A benefit of this approach is that, when people start a new Rails app, they may end up putting whatever they’d otherwise put in a helper in a renderer, since renderers have the benefit of having unambiguously resolvable method names.
3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #314.

Then how would you call this from a helper method?

#314 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

I don’t think that’s something people would do a lot, but they still easily could: ProductsRenderer.index(self)

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #313.

Hiccdown methods should live in their own, separate modules. How about they are called ‘renderers’?

module ProductsRenderer
  def self.index vc, # …
    vc.some_helper_method
  end
end
#313 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

Then how would you call this from a helper method?

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal submitted idea #313.

Hiccdown methods should live in their own, separate modules. How about they are called ‘renderers’?

module ProductsRenderer
  def self.index vc, # …
    vc.some_helper_method
  end
end
3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #303.

Hiccdown methods should live in Rails helpers as class methods. That way, the problem described in #302 is solved – methods can be referenced unambiguously:

ProductsHelper.index
StoresHelper.index
#303 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

That would be mixing class methods an instance methods in Rails helper modules, which typically only contain instance methods. Not idiomatic Rails usage.

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #308.
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vc.some_helper_method↵ end↵ ↵ def some_helper_method↵ # …
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3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #307.
If so, there might be a way to bind them to the `view_context`. Or I could definitely pass the `view_context` explicitly as the first parameter.parameter:↵
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So instead of↵
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```ruby↵
@helper_module.instance_method(@action_name).bind_call(view_context)↵
```↵
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I would do↵
↵
```ruby↵
@helper_module.send(@action_name, view_context)↵
```↵
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And the parameter list of each Hiccdown method would start accordingly:↵
↵
```ruby↵
module ProductsHelper↵
  def self.index vc #, …↵
    # …↵
  end↵
end↵
```
3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #305.

Does that mean they wouldn’t have access to the view_context? If so, calling helper methods from inside these class methods wouldn’t be possible.

#305 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

If so, there might be a way to bind them to the view_context. Or I could definitely pass the view_context explicitly as the first parameter.

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #304.
Does that mean they wouldn’t have access to the `view_context`? If so, calling helper methods from inside these class methods wouldn’t be possible.
3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #303.

Hiccdown methods should live in Rails helpers as class methods. That way, the problem described in #302 is solved – methods can be referenced unambiguously:

ProductsHelper.index
StoresHelper.index
#303 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

Does that mean they wouldn’t have the view_context? If so, calling helper methods from inside these class methods wouldn’t be possible.

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal submitted idea #303.

Hiccdown methods should live in Rails helpers as class methods. That way, the problem described in #302 is solved – methods can be referenced unambiguously:

ProductsHelper.index
StoresHelper.index
3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #300.
Hiccdown methods should live in Rails helpers.helpers as instance methods.
3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #300.

Hiccdown methods should live in Rails helpers.

#300 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

That isn’t a good idea because Hiccdown methods often share the same conventional names (index, show, etc), which can and does lead to conflict.

3 months ago · ‘Hiccdown Development Notes’
  Dennis Hackethal started a discussion titled Hiccdown Development Notes.

Notes about developing the Ruby gem Hiccdown.

The discussion starts with idea #300.

Hiccdown methods should live in Rails helpers.

3 months ago
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #276.
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Clearly, a fetusan embryo without a nervous system can’t be sentient and thus can’t be a person, right? And as long as it’s not a person, it doesn’t have any rights.
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3 months ago · ‘Abortion’
  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #276.

I’m pro abortion but I have some pro life in me.

Banning the abortion of a zygote seems ridiculous. So does aborting a seven-month-old fetus.

Why not go with: you can abort until the nervous system develops.

Clearly, a fetus without a nervous system can’t be sentient and thus can’t be a person, right? And as long as it’s not a person, it doesn’t have any rights.

According to https://www.neurosciencefoundation.org/post/brain-development-in-fetus, “an embryo’s brain and nervous system begin to develop at around the 6-week mark.” And: “At as early as 8 weeks (about 2 months), you can see physical evidence of the brain working (the electric impulses) as ultrasounds show the embryo moving.”

This idea is for viable pregnancies only. Other considerations may apply for non-viable ones.

#276 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

Clearly, a fetus without a nervous system can’t be sentient and thus can’t be a person, right?

It’s not considered a fetus until week 9, at which point the nervous system has already begun building.

The correct word to use here is ‘embryo’.

3 months ago · ‘Abortion’