Rand Quote About the Subconscious

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Wouldn't the more correct framing be the mind has automatic programs and consciousness? In other words, the mind has a dual process of explicit thoughts and conscious reflection on the one hand, and ingrained habits or "mental programs" on the other.

#1260 · · Knut Sondre Sæbø revised 3 months ago · context · 9th of 9 versions · Criticized2 criticim(s)

You marked your idea as a criticism but I don’t see where it conflicts with its parent. Explain?

#1133 · · Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago · Criticism of #1260

I misread your text. I originally read it as the whole mind is a program (or programs).

#1191 · · Knut Sondre Sæbø, 4 months ago · Criticized1 criticim(s)

I do think the whole mind is a program (or programs).

#1208 · · Dennis HackethalOP, 3 months ago · Criticism of #1191

I know. But we don’t don't know if consciousness can emerge as a byproduct of computation, so I think Rands distinction is useful until proven false. Programs run according to their rules, while consciousness seems to transcend "its own rules", which is why it can be creative. To create rules with self-awareness isn’t an incremental improvement that logically follows from what we know of rules and programs today (as I can see it). I see there was another thread on this topic though, so I’ll go in and drop my comments there!

#1222 · · Knut Sondre Sæbø, 3 months ago · Criticized2 criticim(s)

But we don’t don't know if consciousness can emerge as a byproduct of computation […]

We do know that. From the laws of physics. From BoI ch. 6:

[E]xpecting a computer to be able to do whatever neurons can is not a metaphor: it is a known and proven property of the laws of physics as best we know them.

#1223 · · Dennis HackethalOP, 3 months ago · Criticism of #1222
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I know.

I’m not quite sure, but it sounds like you are reverting your stance on having misread #696. Does that mean #1192 should be marked as a criticism after all?

#1224 · · Dennis HackethalOP, 3 months ago · Criticism of #1222
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on the other

This part should be preceded by ‘on the one hand’. As in: ‘In other words, the mind has a dual process of explicit thoughts and conscious reflection on the one hand, and ingrained habits or "mental programs" on the other.’

#1134 · · Dennis HackethalOP, 4 months ago · Criticism of #1260

Fixed

#1190 · · Knut Sondre Sæbø, 4 months ago · Criticized2 criticim(s)

In #1189, yes, but then you reverted it in #1192.

#1206 · · Dennis HackethalOP, 3 months ago · Criticism of #1190
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When you make a revision to address a criticism, be sure to uncheck the corresponding criticism in the revision form, section “Do the comments still apply?”. That way, #1134 won’t show up anymore.

#1207 · · Dennis HackethalOP, 3 months ago · Criticism of #1190
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