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If someone steals a bike and then gifts it to you that doesn’t mean the owner can’t have it back just because you didn’t steal it. Same for copyright.

#1392 · · Dennis Hackethal, about 1 month ago · context · Criticism

So then JK Rowling can use violence against me to extort the value that I have supposedly stolen by downloading a book that was uploaded in violation of a contract by a third person?

#1427 · · Amaro Koberle, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1392Criticized1 criticim(s)

Not sure that’s extortion but yes, generally speaking, people have the right to use force to prevent and address the arbitrary in social life (#1345).

#1428 · · Dennis Hackethal, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1427

But I was never party to that contract! I never agreed not to distribute it, and I also didn't actually distribute it. I just downloaded it from Pirate bay.

#1429 · · Amaro Koberle, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1428Criticized2 criticim(s)

Duplicate of #1386. Repeating an argument that has outstanding criticisms doesn’t address the criticisms. You can address the criticisms or revise the argument or abandon the argument.

#1432 · · Dennis Hackethal revised about 1 month ago · 2nd of 2 versions · Criticism of #1429
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Circular due to #1386.

#1434 · · Dennis Hackethal revised about 1 month ago · 2nd of 2 versions · Criticism of #1429
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There, the owner is short of a bike. Returning it to him will make him whole. The situation looks quite different in the case of information, at least in my eyes. What exactly is to be returned?

#1436 · · Amaro Koberle, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1392Criticized2 criticim(s)

Maybe you could simply pay her the price of the book plus interest plus a fee for the inconvenience. Plus some ‘deterrence fee’ so that most people don’t even think of doing it to begin with.

#1437 · · Dennis Hackethal, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1436

But I didn't agree to buy the book. I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't found it on pirate bay, let's say.

#1439 · · Amaro Koberle, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1437Criticized2 criticim(s)

You never agreed to buy the bike either, that’s the point.

#1440 · · Dennis Hackethal, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1439
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You didn’t trade value for value. You traded nothing at all and only received. A free market and justice depend on people interacting as traders, not as leeches (objectivism).

#1441 · · Dennis Hackethal, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1439

I have received a pattern of information. Information cannot be owned as it is non-scarce. JK Rowling is asking me to give her money for something that was never hers to begin with.

#1442 · · Amaro Koberle, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1441Criticized1 criticim(s)

Going in circles now.

#1443 · · Amaro Koberle, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1442Criticized1 criticim(s)

Not circular since #1346 is not a parent of this idea.

#1444 · · Dennis Hackethal, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1443
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Duplicate of #1346.

#1445 · · Dennis Hackethal, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1442
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Just returning the bike doesn’t necessarily make him whole. Maybe he lost revenues during the time he couldn’t use his bike.

#1438 · · Dennis Hackethal, about 1 month ago · Criticism of #1436
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