Attempts at Understanding Fallibilism

Showing only #2439 and its comments.

See full discussion
  Log in or sign up to participate in this discussion.
With an account, you can revise, criticize, and comment on ideas.

Discussions can branch out indefinitely. Zoom out for the bird’s-eye view.
Zelalem Mekonnen’s avatar
Zelalem MekonnenOP revised 7 days ago·#2439

Fallibilism is the idea that all of our knowledge contains errors, and that nothing is obviously true but depends on what one understands about reality. This means that we can't be certain about anything, because all knowledge contains errors. Knowledge, therefore, grows by addressing the errors we encounter as we encounter them. We solve problems by guessing solutions and testing them. This also means we should always be careful not to destroy or even slow down the things and ideas that correct errors and thereby create knowledge. Some of which are freedom, privacy, and free markets. We are also never the passive recipients of our knowledge; we are the creators.

This view is mainly influenced by Popper, and errors are my own.

Criticized4oustanding criticisms
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, 8 days ago·#2374

Fallibilism is the idea that all of our knowledge contains errors…

This is a common mischaracterization of fallibilism. It’s actually a form of cynicism. See https://blog.dennishackethal.com/posts/don-t-take-fallibilism-too-far

In reality, fallibilism is the view that there is no criterion to say with certainty what’s true and what’s false; that, as a result, we inevitably make mistakes; and that some of our knowledge is mistaken at any given time. But not all of it.

Criticism of #2439
Zelalem Mekonnen’s avatar
Zelalem MekonnenOP, revised by Dennis Hackethal 3 days ago·#2544

So there is no way to tell the truth of our knowledge. It may solve a problem, but that doesn't guarantee that it’s true.

Criticized1oustanding criticism
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, 3 days ago·#2546

You can still tell whether some knowledge is true. You just can’t tell infallibly, ie with absolute certainty. There is a difference between certainty and knowledge.

Criticism of #2544
Zelalem Mekonnen’s avatar
Zelalem MekonnenOP revised 17 minutes ago·#2593

If you're not certain which part of your knowledge is true, then there is no difference between what I said and what you said. Because you knew a certain part of your knowledge was true, but it turned out not to be after further inquiry.

Criticized3oustanding criticisms
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, 3 days ago·#2552

… there is no difference between what I said and what you said.

Unclear what “what I said” and “what you said” refer to. Quotes

Criticism of #2593
Zelalem Mekonnen’s avatar
Zelalem MekonnenOP, revised by Dennis Hackethal about 1 hour ago·#2586

To rephrase what you said, you can tell fallibly that some knowledge is true, and what I said was "[i]t may solve a problem, but that doesn't guarantee that it’s true."

Criticism of #2552Criticized1oustanding criticism
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, about 1 hour ago·#2588

In that case, I would agree with the second part of #2544 – just because something solves a problem doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed to be true, yes – but the first part is still wrong, IMO: “So there is no way to tell the truth of our knowledge.” There is, just not infallibly.

It certainly (pun intended) does not follow that all our knowledge contains errors, as you originally wrote.

Criticism of #2586
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, about 1 hour ago·#2589

Building on #2588, I recommend changing the opening lines of #2539 to something like ‘Fallibilism is the view that there is no criterion to say with certainty what’s true and what’s false. As a result, we inevitably make mistakes.’ And then adjust the rest accordingly.

Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, 3 days ago·#2553

Since you’re voicing a disagreement, this idea should presumably be marked as a criticism.

Criticism of #2593
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, 9 minutes ago·#2594

Now you’re using the word ‘certain’ with two different meanings, which is confusing. You could replace the second instance, “a certain”, with ‘some’ or just ‘a’.

Criticism of #2593
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal revised 8 days ago·#2386

…because all knowledge contains errors.

This isn’t true, see #2374.

Criticism of #2439
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, 8 days ago·#2382

Knowledge, therefore, grows by addressing the errors we encounter as we encounter them.

Remove ‘therefore’

Criticism of #2439
Zelalem Mekonnen’s avatar

I think the 'therefore' means that the following point is a direct result of the preceding claim.

Criticism of #2382Criticized1oustanding criticism
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, 8 days ago·#2400

Right and it’s not.

Criticism of #2392
Zelalem Mekonnen’s avatar

Please say more? Is it from the content or the grammar?

Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, 6 days ago·#2452

The word ‘therefore’ in this context means that lack of certainty is the reason error correction is the means by which knowledge is created. I’m not sure that’s the reason.

And it’s not actually clear whether ‘therefore’ refers to the part “This means that we can't be certain about anything” or to “all knowledge contains errors.”

You can avoid all of these issues by simply removing the word ‘therefore’. Simpler.

Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, 8 days ago·#2383

Knowledge, therefore, grows by addressing the errors we encounter as we encounter them.

The part “as we encounter them” implies that we address every error the minute we find it. That isn’t true. Some errors take a long time to address. We also have to prioritize some errors over others because they are more important or more urgent or both.

Criticism of #2439
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal revised 8 days ago·#2388

We can't solve a problem we haven't encountered yet.

Some theories have enough reach to solve problems we haven’t encountered or even considered yet. I would just remove this sentence.

Criticism
Zelalem Mekonnen’s avatar
Zelalem MekonnenOP revised 8 days ago·#2399

Finding problems that a knowledge addresses is a form of new knowledge.

Maybe not. Figured that out as I was typing. The knowledge isn't new.

Criticized1oustanding criticism
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, 8 days ago·#2406

a knowledge

I don’t think it’s correct to use the word ‘knowledge’ with an indeterminate article (meaning ‘a’ or ‘an’).

You could say ‘Finding problems that some knowledge addresses…’

Criticism of #2399
Zelalem Mekonnen’s avatar
Zelalem MekonnenOP, 8 days ago·#2395

At the same time, there is a notion that I want to address that flows from fallibilism, and the reason decentralized 'things' tend to be more truth seeking. Even though a given knowledge has solved problems we haven't yet discovered, we still got that solution by solving a problem we encountered, and we can't solve problems we haven't encountered. When we try to solve a problem, we might find out that we've already solved it, but that only happens after we have looked at the problem.

Criticism of #2388Criticized1oustanding criticism
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal, 8 days ago·#2402

When we try to solve a problem, we might find out that we've already solved it, but that only happens after we have looked at the problem.

That still means we solved the problem before we encountered it.

I understand you want to stress that we usually solve a problem after we identify it. Your text already covers that. So I’d still just remove the sentence “We can't solve a problem we haven't encountered yet.” because it’s not true.

Criticism of #2395