Hard to Vary or Hardly Usable?

Showing only #3703 and its comments.

See full discussion
  Log in or sign up to participate in this discussion.
With an account, you can revise, criticize, and comment on ideas.

Discussions can branch out indefinitely. Zoom out for the bird’s-eye view.
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 21 hours ago·#3703
1st of 3 versions

Deutsch’s stance in my own words:

The distinguishing characteristic between rationality and irrationality is that rationality is the search for good explanations. We make progress by searching for good explanations.

A good explanation is hard to vary “while still accounting for what it purports to account for.” (BoI chapter 1 glossary.) A bad explanation is easy to vary.

For example, the Persephone myth as an explanation of the seasons is easy to change without impacting its ability to explain the seasons. You could arbitrarily replace Persephone and other characters and the explanation would still ‘work’. The axis-tilt explanation of the earth, on the other hand, is hard to change without breaking it. You can’t just replace the axis with something else, say.

The quality of a theory is a matter of degrees. The harder it is to change a theory, the better that theory is. When deciding which explanation to adopt, we should “choose between [explanations] according to how good they are…: how hard to vary.” (BoI chatper 9; see similar remark in chapter 8.)

Criticized7
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 21 hours ago·#3704

Deutsch leaves open how we find out how hard to vary an explanation is. We need more details. In some cases it’s obvious, but we need a general description for less-obvious cases.

Criticism of #3703
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 20 hours ago·#3706

Even if we allow creative user input, eg a score for the quality of an explanation, we run into all kinds of open questions, such as what upper and lower limits to use for the score, and unexpected behavior, such as criticisms pushing an explanations score beyond those limits.

Criticism of #3703
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 20 hours ago·#3707

Deutsch contradicts his yardstick for understanding a computational task. He says that you haven’t understood a computational task if you can’t program it. His method of decision-making based on finding good explanations is a computational task. He can’t program it, so he hasn’t understood it.

Criticism of #3703
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 20 hours ago·#3709

Isn’t this basically asking for a specification of the creative program? Isn’t this effectively an AGI project?

Criticism of #3707Criticized1
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 20 hours ago·#3710

No, see #3706. I’m open to user input (within reason). That covers any creative parts. The non-creative parts can be automated by definition.

Criticism of #3709
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 20 hours ago·#3711

Isn’t this asking for a formalization of creativity, which is impossible?

Criticism of #3707Criticized2
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 20 hours ago·#3712

No, it’s asking for a formalization of rational decision-making, which is a related but separate issue. Given a set of explanations (after they’ve already been created), what non-creative sorting algorithm do we use to find the best one?

Criticism of #3711
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 20 hours ago·#3713

Popper formalized much of his epistemology, such as the notions of empirical content and degrees of falsifiability. Why hold Deutsch to a different standard? Why couldn’t he formalize the steps for finding the quality of a given explanation?

Criticism of #3711
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 20 hours ago·#3708

Deutsch says to choose between explanations “according to how good they are” – note the plural.

What if I can only come up with one explanation? Can I just go with that one? What if it’s bad but still the best I could do? He leaves such questions open.

Criticism of #3703
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 20 hours ago·#3714

Deutsch says rationality means seeking good explanations, so without a step-by-step guide on how to seek good explanations, we cannot know when we are being irrational. That’s bad for error correction.

Criticism of #3703
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP revised about 20 hours ago·#3719
2nd of 2 versions

From my article:

[I]sn’t the difficulty of changing an explanation at least partly a property not of the explanation itself but of whoever is trying to change it? If I’m having difficulty changing it, maybe that’s because I lack imagination. Or maybe I’m just new to that field and an expert could easily change it. In which case the difficulty of changing an explanation is, again, not an objective property of that explanation but a subjective property of its critics. How could subjective properties be epistemologically fundamental?

Criticism of #3703
Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis HackethalOP, about 20 hours ago·#3717

Superseded by #3716. This comment was generated automatically.

Criticism of #3703