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Amaro Koberle’s avatar
Amaro Koberle·​#1406·​·​Criticism

Wouldn’t copyright make LLMs illegal, too?

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Dennis Hackethal’s avatar
Dennis Hackethal·​#1407·​·​Criticism

Yes they are leeches

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Amaro Koberle·​#1408·​·​Criticism

Nice, much innovation

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Dennis Hackethal·​#1410·​·​Criticism

LLM coders should come up with something else that doesn’t steal value.

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Amaro Koberle·​#1411·​·​Criticism

Maybe LLM coders aren't stealing value but instead creating it?

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Dennis Hackethal·​#1412·​·​Criticism

They are creating some but also stealing lots. You could steal a bicycle to become a courier and create value as a courier, but you still shouldn’t steal the bicycle in the first place. And if the thief complained about not being able to create value because it’s illegal to steal bicycles, everyone would rightly laugh at him. It’s his responsibility to find win/win solutions with people, not leech off others in the name of ‘creating value’.

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Amaro Koberle·​#1413·​·​Criticism

I doubt it. I hope they keep doing it. I hope to live in a world where copyright isn't enforced. I expect to see more creation and novelty.

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Dennis Hackethal·​#1416·​·​Criticism

I doubt it.

You just say that without any reasoning.

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Amaro Koberle·​#1417·​·​Criticism

Midjourney wouldn't exist... Our cool pics of Mujahideen eating Bacon wouldn't exist.

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Dennis Hackethal·​#1419·​·​Criticism

‘Couriers who jump start their careers by stealing bicycles wouldn’t exist.’

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Amaro Koberle·​#1421·​·​Criticism
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It's a good point, but I don't think those two compare. Again, bicycles are scarce. My use prevents your use.

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Amaro Koberle·​#1425·​·​Criticism

There's this nice bit in Man, Economy & State where Rothbard explains that durable goods can be broken down into their unit services (not sure that's the term) and that all durable goods get used up as they provide service.

So I guess someone would reduce the serviceable lifespan of the bike by using it during the times that you aren't using it.

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Dennis Hackethal·​#1426·​

Yeah. And if he takes it against your will and replaces it with a brand new bike it’s still theft.

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Fabio Guerreiro·​#4908·​·​Criticism

It’s a gift, then. He increased the value you had by, let's say, replacing your bike with the same bike but new.

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Dennis Hackethal·​#4911·​·​Criticism

Value isn’t in the object itself. It’s in the owner’s mind. If the owner doesn’t consent to the replacement, the value may well be lower.

For example, imagine somebody replacing your teddy bear from childhood with the ‘same’ one but new.

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