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Tyler Mills, revised by Dennis HackethalOP​·​#5712​·​
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Reiterating/refining #3904: I think the yellow "Criticism of" bubbles can and should be replaced by a graphical indication that is much easier on the eyes. The dropdown line can be made red if the comment it leads to is a criticism, and the bubble on the criticism can be eliminated. Reading the yellow bubble to get the idea # it is referring to, then searching the ideas above for the matching # is inelegant (even if it is usually the one right above).

And dimmer red for refuted criticisms, brighter red for pending ones! Default gray for comments.

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Dennis HackethalOP​·​#5715​·​

And dimmer red for refuted criticisms, brighter red for pending ones! Default gray for comments.

Tried it – unfortunately, there aren’t enough shades of red to easily tell the difference.

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Dennis HackethalOP​·​#5716​·​

And dimmer red for refuted criticisms, brighter red for pending ones! Default gray for comments.

It’s more in line with refute.us if non-pending criticisms are neutralized, ie gray as well.

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Dennis HackethalOP​·​#5718​·​​·​System-generated

Superseded by #5717.

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Dennis HackethalOP​·​#5721​·​

And dimmer red for refuted criticisms, brighter red for pending ones! Default gray for comments.

Would get alternating dim and bright depending on insertion order. Confusing!

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Tyler Mills​·​#4828​·​

The yellow bubbles link to the ideas they are criticizing, which can be handy.

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Tyler Mills​·​#4832​·​

The link could be put in a new tooltip, or something. Or kept as is, just without the yellow bubble, frankly.

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Dennis HackethalOP​·​#5710​·​

Would avoid putting it in a tooltip. Best to keep it for accessibility. Communicating only with lines and colors is too little information.

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Dennis HackethalOP​·​#5723​·​
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That doesn’t mean the pill has to stay yellow. Too harsh.

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Tyler Mills​·​#4829​·​

Is it handy? I have yet to want to open the criticized idea in a new tab. I have only ever wanted to scroll up to see it, which is slightly irksome with the current yellow bubble hashtag-matching method. And when the criticized idea is clearly immediately above, the yellow bubbles serve no real purpose, only add visual clutter.

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Dennis HackethalOP​·​#5709​·​

I have yet to want to open the criticized idea in a new tab

I do that on occasion and like being able to do it. Other users may, too.

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Tyler Mills​·​#4830​·​

The quote

indentation bar

is red, which would cause visual confusion.

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Tyler Mills​·​#4831​·​

It should be made not red. Gray. Arguable even without the red criticism line idea above, since it already conflicts with the "red = criticism" motif.

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Dennis HackethalOP​·​#5714​·​

Not red anymore. Gray as of 5b3358f.

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Tyler Mills​·​#4834​·​

Currently, a single gray "thread" comes off an idea, and splits off into sub-ideas. A single criticism in the above scheme would turn the whole thread red, which is ambiguous.

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Tyler Mills​·​#4835​·​

The main thread is ambiguous currently, by that reasoning: it's always gray. Having the whole thing red to indicate one or more pending criticisms below seems useful, and cool. And the offshoots from the main thread (the little curly part leading to each sub-idea) can have the new colors.

E.g.: User scrolls down the main bright red thread, past gray comment offshoots and dim red refuted criticism offshoots, until reaching the bright red pending criticisms offshoot that is the cause of the main thread being bright red. (!)

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