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You marked this as a criticism but it sounds like you’re agreeing with me.

To be clear, I'm not opposed to 'trees' in general.

I was wondering whether 'discussion trees' can be replaced with 'problems-and-their-solutions trees' (for lack of a better phrasing).

Makes sense to me.
'Discussions' is a much broader term than 'problems and their solutions.'
So I can see how that would allow for greater freedom.
I can also imagine some of the challenges presented in prior iterations of Veritula, if it had more of a 'problems and their solutions' structure.
Perhaps some of this theory of problem-solving just shared can make it into 'How Does Veritula Work?'
Yes, I do think discussions can map onto the structure I suggest.
So, no worries. I was wondering whether the 'Discussion Titles' can draw in current and future users in a more frictionless manner with problem statements.

But if it was tried before, why try it again? Thanks.

Makes sense to me.
'Discussions' is a much broader term than 'problems and their solutions.'
So I can see how that would allow for greater freedom.
I can also imagine some of the challenges presented in prior iterations of Veritula, if it had more of a 'problems and their solutions' structure.
Perhaps some of this theory of problem-solving just shared can make it into 'How Does Veritula Work?'
To be clear, I'm not opposed to 'trees' in general. I was wondering whether 'discussion trees' can be replaced with 'problems-and-their-solutions trees' (for lack of a better phrasing).
And yes, I do think discussions can map onto the structure I suggest.
So, no worries. I was wondering whether the 'Discussion Titles' can draw in current and future users in a more frictionless manner with problem statements.

But if it was tried before, why try it again? Thanks.

Good idea. I’ve added this to my list of features to implement.

You suggest replacing discussion trees:

[I]nstead of […] discussion trees […] users would articulate problems and their solutions.

But then you also write:

Of course, the problem itself could be criticized as well as its proposed solutions.

Which means you’d still have trees regardless. So that sounds like a contradiction.

As I recall, previous iterations of Veritula had explicit designations such as ‘problem’ and ‘solution’ but I decided against continuing those designations. It’s been years but I think it was too rigid and felt too much like ‘red tape’. It’s easier when the only check box in this regard is a boolean for ‘criticism’.

Can’t discussions already map onto the structure you suggest?

Discussion title: problem
Top-level ideas in the discussion: proposed solutions
Nested ideas: criticisms, counter-criticisms, and further solutions

Note also that revisions act as solutions to problems. So do counter-criticisms, in a way.

So I think people can already use Veritula in the way you suggest.

They can also use it like this:

Discussion title: some topic (such as ‘abortion’)
Top-level ideas: problems
Nested ideas: solutions, criticisms and so on

Veritula should have a section with a list of all its current members.

For now, people just have profiles.

But having a list of members would build a sense of rapport between the participants.

And would promote a greater flow of communication.

I'm still getting a feel for this platform. I'm wondering whether it would help promote wider and deeper engagement if Veritula was organized in terms of problems and their solutions. So instead of discussions, discussion trees, and broad topics such as 'Abortion', users would articulate problems and their solutions. Of course, the problem itself could be criticized as well as its proposed solutions. This approach might also make Veritula even more Popperian. All life is problem solving as Popper says.

I'm still getting a feel for this platform. I'm wondering whether it would help promote wider and deeper engagement if Veritula was organized in terms of problems and their solutions. So instead of discussions, discussion trees, and broad topics such as 'Abortion', users would articulate problems and their solutions. Of course, the problem itself could be criticized as well as its proposed solutions. This approach might also make Veritula even more Popperian. All life is problem solving as Popper says.

Since this is an idea for improvement, you’d want to mark it as a criticism. Try out the revision feature. Mark it as a criticism and then deselect my comment underneath the form to indicate that the revision addresses my comment.

I'm still getting a feel for this platform. I'm wondering whether it would help promote wider and deeper engagement if Veritula was organized in terms of problems and their solutions. So instead of discussions, discussion trees, and broad topics such as 'Abortion', users would articulate problems and their solutions. Of course, the problem itself could be criticized as well as its proposed solutions. This approach might also make Veritula even more Popperian. All life is problem solving as Popper says.

Mostly done, apart from some polishing, as of 5f5c545. Eg @dennis-hackethal.

Mostly done, apart from some polishing, as of 5f5c545.

See #449. Since this is a separate concern, not directly related to #337, you’d want to submit a top-level idea rather than comment on #337. The form for top-level ideas is currently at the bottom of this page. I obviously need to make this clearer.

The more ideas there are in a discussion, the further the form for top-level ideas is pushed down. Then people don’t know how to submit a new idea and comment on an existing one instead, even if it’s unrelated, as happened with #448. So I need to make this clearer.

Now that there are notifications, people should be able to @mention each other.

The more ideas there are in a discussion, the further the form for top-level ideas is pushed down. Then people don’t know how to submit a new idea and comment on an existing one instead, even if it’s unrelated, as happened with #448. So I need to make this clearer.

See #449. Since this is a separate concern, not directly related to #337, you’d want to submit a top-level idea rather than comment on #337. The form for top-level ideas is currently at the bottom of this page. I obviously need to make this clearer.

Tom Nassis asks (#448):

I wanted to ask about how many members are here.

Currently 7.

And whether it's encouraged to invite more people, in order to add more and more conversations.

Yes.

Hi all! This platform looks like such an awesome idea!
This discussion says, "Discuss Veritula itself. For feedback and suggestions."
I wanted to ask about how many members are here. And whether it's encouraged to invite more people, in order to add more and more conversations.

Hi all! This platform looks like an awesome idea!
This discussion says, "Discuss Veritula itself. For feedback and suggestions."
I wanted to ask about how many members are here. And whether it's encouraged to invite more people, in order to add more and more conversations.

The following commits should address this:

• 3af3966 Clarify in title that someone revised an idea (rathen than originated idea)

  The HTML title now says ‘Idea x revised by…’

• 6c70cea Underneath idea, indicate that someone revised an idea (rather than submitted it)

  It says ‘Dennis Hackethal, 1 day ago’ for new ideas, ‘Dennis Hackethal revised 1 day ago’ for revisions

• d20d386 Explain that users can revise each others’ ideas

  As part of the alert on the revision page, when the user is about to revise someone else’s idea.

• c5748e3 Turn ‘revise’ link into ‘revise their idea’ when it’s someone else’s idea

  Underneath each idea.

• e0fbd41 List user under each revision in version history

  So that each version is clearly attributed to the corresponding user.

• 06d3241 List contributors at top of version history

  Comma-separated list to see all contributors at a glance. Eg see here

The following commits should address this:

• 3af3966 Clarify in title that someone revised an idea (rathen than originated idea)

  The HTML title now says ‘Idea x revised by…’

• 6c70cea Underneath idea, indicate that someone revised an idea (rather than submitted it)

  It says ‘Dennis Hackethal, 1 day ago’ for new ideas, ‘Dennis Hackethal revised 1 day ago’ for revisions

• d20d386 Explain that users can revise each others’ ideas

  As part of the alert on the revision page, when the user is about to revise someone else’s idea.

• c5748e3 Turn ‘revise’ link into ‘revise their idea’ when it’s someone else’s idea

  Underneath each idea.

• e0fbd41 List user under each revision in version history

  So that each version is clearly attributed to the corresponding user.

• 06d3241 List contributors at top of version history

  Comma-separated list to see all contributors at a glance

The following commits should address this:

• 3af3966 Clarify in title that someone revised an idea (rathen than originated idea)

  The HTML title now says ‘Idea x revised by…’

• 6c70cea Underneath idea, indicate that someone revised an idea (rather than submitted it)

  It says ‘Dennis Hackethal, 1 day ago’ for new ideas, ‘Dennis Hackethal revised 1 day ago’ for revisions

• d20d386 Explain that users can revise each others’ ideas

  As part of the alert on the revision page, when the user is about to revise someone else’s idea.

• c5748e3 Turn ‘revise’ link into ‘revise their idea’ when it’s someone else’s idea

  Underneath each idea.

• e0fbd41 List user under each revision in version history

  So that each version is clearly attributed to the corresponding user.