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This approach is more complex for the bounty initiator than just indicating a total amount they are willing to spend (#3474). It’s best not to require users to do math.

#3501​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

Given the need for a deadline, all critics get paid at the same time anyway.

#3500​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

There could be a UI component showing estimated payout based on current number of criticisms, with a warning that actual payout could be less.

#3499​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

Could pay out to only first x criticisms, where x is small enough the payout for each criticism is high enough to cover transaction costs (and then some).

#3497​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

I can roll out the feature to a few trusted users. Then I can reevaluate later with more experience to judge actual risks rather than speculate ahead of time.

#3496​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

See #3452. Other critics have an incentive to report abuse. People found to abuse deadlines could become ineligible for payouts and excluded from participating in future bounties.

#3493​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

A modification of #2513 could work. Say you start a bounty. Your card is authorized for twice the ceiling. If you’re a good citizen, you’ll be charged the ceiling, at most. But if you’re found to submit arbitrary criticisms to avoid paying, your card is charged the full authorization. Admins can even decide to stop the bounty early if they detect abuse before the grace period beings.

#3492​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

People who feel cheated can reach out to admins to report bad bounty initiators. Admins can then prevent such initiators from starting more bounties in the future.

#3489​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

There could be an additional grace period for admins to review the initiator’s selections.

#3488​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

The grace period prevents abuse from people other than the bounty initiator.

It doesn’t. It only prevents abuse of the initiator. It doesn’t prevent others from submitting arbitrary counter-criticisms just before the deadline to exclude criticisms from the bounty.

#3484​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

People can speculate, but if there’s a grace period, they won’t know how many pending criticisms there will be in the end. So they may still get a payout.

#3480​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

Unlike #3424, however, having a set amount per pending criticism means there’s zero incentive for anyone to submit more criticisms, whereas divvying up the amount among pending criticisms means the incentive is reduced only gradually, and it’s up to people to decide for themselves whether contributions are still worth making.

#3478​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 8 months ago​·​Original #3425​·​CriticismArchived

Rather than set a fixed amount for each pending criticism (#3421), the ceiling could be divided among all pending criticisms equally.

#3474​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 8 months ago​·​Original #3424​·​ Battle-testedArchived

There could be a grace period. For example, 24 hours after the bounty ends, no new criticisms can be posted on the bountied idea. That way, the bounty initiator has time to review pending criticisms.

#3468​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 8 months ago​·​Original #3459​·​CriticismArchived

and others

If others can still participate during that time, it’s not really a grace period.

#3463​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 8 months ago​·​Original #3462​·​CriticismArchived

Then all pending criticisms automatically receive equal payouts.

#3461​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

This idea introduces additional complexity and edge cases. For example, what happens if authorization fails? Need something simpler for an MVP version of this feature.

#3458​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

While this idea sounded promising at first, I now realize it just moves the deadline problem one level underneath the bountied idea.

#3457​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

Would still be a hassle for users to track refunds.

#3454​·​Dennis HackethalOP revised 8 months ago​·​Original #3453​·​CriticismArchived

There could still be a button to report abuse. People found to abuse deadlines could become ineligible for payouts and excluded from participating in future bounties.

#3452​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

Although there’s a risk for abuse, that’s a feature: it will lead to lively discussions among critics.

#3451​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

What incentive would others have to submit arbitrary criticisms? They’re not the ones paying.

#3447​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

Card authorizations will necessarily have a deadline.

#3446​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

There is a counter-incentive to be the first to submit a criticism since subsequent criticisms run the risk of being duplicates, and being criticized as such.

#3441​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived

I believe Veritula would lose money on refunds.

#3439​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 8 months ago​·​CriticismArchived