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So far this has proven ineffective, though a skill which could be improved. However, questions remain for me over whether self-disciplining is good, in general, and where to draw the line between coercion and healthy structure.

#3821·Tyler MillsOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized1

A related idea is to become more disciplined with my time, getting more out of the off days.

#3820·Tyler MillsOP, about 1 month ago·Criticized1

I think I've compressed other activities as much as possible. With the current job, I don't think I can increase focus on research any further. The concerns are over the tradeoffs of leaving the day job (finances, impact to employability, etc.).

#3819·Tyler MillsOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

Yes, very little time and energy for research while working, a handful of hours a week. The intermittence carries its own cost, I also find.

#3818·Tyler MillsOP, about 1 month ago

It does sound like Deutsch thinks all these different criteria boil down to being about hard vs easy to vary, see #3814.

#3816·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #3813·Criticism

Not according to Deutsch. He says hard to vary is epistemologically fundamental, that all progress is based on it. For example, he phrases testability in terms of hard to vary (BoI chapter 1):

When a formerly good explanation has been falsified by new observations, it is no longer a good explanation, because the problem has expanded to include those observations. Thus the standard scientific methodology of dropping theories when refuted by experiment is implied by the requirement for good explanations.

He also says that “good explanations [are] essential to science…” (thanks @tom-nassis for finding this quote). Recall that a good explanation is one that is hard to vary.

For Deutsch, hard to vary is the key mode of criticism, not just one of many.

#3814·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #3807·Criticism

It does sound like Deutsch thinks all these different criteria boil down to being about hard vs easy to vary, see #3807.

#3813·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized1

The quote may be false, but I don’t see how it’s misleading. I’m not quoting Deutsch in isolation or cherry-picking information or anything like that.

#3812·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

Liberty responded (1:39:46) that that quote is misleading because it makes it sound like hard to vary is the only criterion people use when making decisions, which can’t be true. There are other criteria, like “consistency with data”, “logical consistency”, “fitting in with existing theories”, etc.

#3811·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized2

I’m fine allowing user input to sidestep the creativity problem, see #3802.

#3810·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

I’m not saying hard to vary is a decision-making method. I’m saying it’s an integral part of Deutsch’s decision-making method. As I write in my article:

He argues that “we should choose between [explanations] according to how good they are…: how hard to vary.”

#3809·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

Liberty said (at 1:38:39) hard to vary isn’t a method of decision-making. It’s a factor people take into account when they make decisions, but decision-making itself is a creative process.

#3808·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized2

Not according to Deutsch. He says hard to vary is epistemologically fundamental, that all progress is based on it. For example, he phrases testability in terms of hard to vary (BoI chapter 1):

When a formerly good explanation has been falsified by new observations, it is no longer a good explanation, because the problem has expanded to include those observations. Thus the standard scientific methodology of dropping theories when refuted by experiment is implied by the requirement for good explanations.

For Deutsch, hard to vary is the key mode of criticism, not just one of many.

#3807·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized1

fundamental

@zelalem-mekonnen suggested during a space (37:36) that hard to vary is just one mode of criticism.

#3806·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized1

But calling a theory ‘good’ sounds like an endorsement. Deutsch also writes (BoI chapter 10) that a “superb” theory is “exceedingly hard to vary”. Ultimately we’d have to ask him, but for now, given the strength and positivity of those terms, I think it’s fair to conclude that he means ‘hard to vary’ as an endorsement.

#3804·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #3790·Criticism

Even if we allow creative user input, eg a score for the quality of an explanation, we run into all kinds of open questions, such as what upper and lower limits to use for the score, and unexpected behavior, such as criticisms pushing an explanation’s score beyond those limits.

#3802·Dennis HackethalOP revised about 1 month ago·Original #3706·Criticism

Huh, no. I said you found a level where the epistemology is unproblematic to specify and turned that into Veritula. I said the opposite. You misunderstood me.

#3801·Dirk Meulenbelt, about 1 month ago·Criticism

As I write in my article:

… Popper did formalize/specify much of his epistemology, such as the notions of empirical content and degrees of falsifiability. So why couldn’t Deutsch formalize the steps for finding the quality of a given explanation?

#3800·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

Deutsch’s yardstick applies to computational tasks. It’s not meant for other things. It’s not clear to me that the criterion of democracy is a computational task.

#3799·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

Yes, many ideas fail Deutsch’s yardstick. But so what? That doesn’t make things better.

#3798·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

@dirk-meulenbelt suggested in a space (at 21:30) that a bunch of epistemology is underspecified. There are many epistemological concepts (like criterion of democracy, falsifiability, etc.) that we don’t know enough about to express in code.

#3797·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized3

Veritula and hard to vary are different in this regard. Deutsch claims that ‘hard to vary’ is epistemologically fundamental, that it’s at the core of rationality, and that all progress is made by choosing between explanations based on how hard to vary they are. In other words, he suggests (though only vaguely) a decision-making method.

Veritula has a different decision-making method: one of criticizing ideas and adopting only those with no pending criticisms. That decision-making method is fully specified, with zero vagueness or open questions (that I’m aware of).

Veritula does not pre-specify ahead of time what criticisms people can submit, this is true. But that’s not a problem. It’d be like asking Deutsch to specify ahead of time what explanations people can judge to be easy or hard to vary. That’s not the specification that’s lacking with hard to vary.

#3796·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

During a space, starting at around 15:00, @dirk-meulenbelt suggested that Veritula suffers from underspecification: it does not specify which kinds of criticisms users can submit. But there are lots, like Occam’s razor, hard to vary, lack of testability, etc.

Since I criticize Deutsch’s ‘hard to vary’ criterion for being underspecified, Veritula shouldn’t be underspecified either.

(Correct me if I misunderstood you here, @dirk-meulenbelt.)

#3795·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·CriticismCriticized2

The ancient Greeks might have found the Persephone myth extremely hard to vary, eg due to cultural constraints. They wouldn’t have agreed that one could just swap out Persephone for someone else.

#3794·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism

But then the ease with which a criticism could be varied might have no effect on its parent. So why even bother having a notion of ‘easiness to vary’ at that point?

#3793·Dennis HackethalOP, about 1 month ago·Criticism