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Physical (in)dependence isn’t a valid yardstick because it does not confer rights. The only thing that confers rights to an organism is personhood.

#123 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism

Building on #121, a baby is not a “trespasser”. A pregnant woman ‘invited’ the baby into her womb. Unless she was raped, in which case the rapist ‘put’ the baby there. But the baby is blameless either way and thus can’t be likened to a trespasser.

#122 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism

The linked Wikipedia article says:

Evictionists view a woman's womb as her property and an unwanted fetus as a "trespasser or parasite", even while lacking the will to act. They argue that a pregnant woman has the right to evict a fetus from her body since she has no obligation to care for a trespasser.

If this is an accurate description of the evictionist view, it strikes me as deeply flawed.

A pregnant woman does have an obligation to care for her fetus (at least once it’s a person). She took an action which resulted in the fetus’s existence.

#121 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism

There’s ‘evictionism’: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evictionism

I like this view because it sidesteps the issue of personhood and at what point it arises. It says you’re free to evict anything, person or not. We don’t how creativity (ie the universal-explainer software mentioned in #119) works so this is handy.

(Amaro)

#120 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · CriticismCriticized3 criticim(s)

Because personhood is not the result of something physical but of having and running the right software.

Specifically, it’s the universal-explainer software David Deutsch outlines in his book The Beginning of Infinity.

This software presumably can’t run in the baby before its nervous system is formed to some sufficient degree. At the earliest, it’s when the nervous system reaches computational universality. (Does anyone know when that is?)

#119 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism

Why would a fetus without a nervous system not be a person?

#118 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · CriticismCriticized1 criticim(s)

If the baby is a person, the mother has a responsibility to it. She can’t just be allowed to kill it. That makes no sense.

(Danny)

#117 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism

While the fetus is attached to the mother, it’s her property and she is free to do what she wants with it. Therefore, she can abort the baby at any time prior to being born and the umbilical being but, at which point the baby is an independent person.

(John)

#116 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · CriticismCriticized4 criticim(s)

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#115 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism

It’s arguably a sexually active woman’s responsibility to monitor whether she’s pregnant.

If it weren’t her responsibility, then a burden would fall on the baby, which can’t be right because the baby only exists because of the mother’s choices.

Home pregnancy tests are affordable and reliable. According to https://health.clevelandclinic.org/how-early-can-you-tell-if-you-are-pregnant, “[h]ome pregnancy tests can detect pregnancy just two weeks after ovulation”. So there’s plenty of time.

#114 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · revision of #109 · Criticism

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#113 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism

It’s arguably a sexually active woman’s responsibility to monitor whether she’s pregnant.

If it weren’t her responsibility, then a burden would fall on the baby, which can’t be right because the baby only exists because of the mother’s choices.

#112 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · revision of #109 · CriticismCriticized1 criticim(s)

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#111 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism

There are some practical considerations, too.

There’s no point allowing abortion only in the first six weeks because many women don’t realize they’re pregnant until later.

(Danny)

#110 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · revision of #108 · CriticismCriticized1 criticim(s)

It’s arguably a sexually active woman’s responsibility to monitor whether she’s pregnant.

If it’s not her responsibility, then a burden falls on the baby, which can’t be right because the baby only exists because of the mother’s choices.

#109 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · CriticismCriticized1 criticim(s)

There are some practical considerations, too.

There’s no point allowing abortion only in the first six weeks because many women don’t realize they’re pregnant until later.

#108 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · CriticismCriticized2 criticim(s)

I’m pro abortion but I have some pro life in me.

Banning the abortion of a zygote seems ridiculous. So does aborting a seven-month-old fetus.

Why not go with: you can abort until the nervous system develops.

Clearly, a fetus without a nervous system can’t be sentient and thus can’t be a person, right? And as long as it’s not a person, it doesn’t have any rights.

According to https://www.neurosciencefoundation.org/post/brain-development-in-fetus, “an embryo’s brain and nervous system begin to develop at around the 6-week mark.” And: “At as early as 8 weeks (about 2 months), you can see physical evidence of the brain working (the electric impulses) as ultrasounds show the embryo moving.”

#107 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · revision of #104 · Battle tested

Why not go with: you can abort until the nervous system develops.

When is that?

#106 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism

I’m pro abortion but I have some pro life in me.

Banning the abortion of a zygote seems ridiculous. So does aborting a seven-month-old fetus.

Why not go with: you can abort until the nervous system develops.

Clearly, a fetus without a nervous system can’t be sentient and thus can’t be a person, right? And as long as it’s not a person, it doesn’t have any rights.

#105 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · revision of #104 · Criticized1 criticim(s)

I’m pro abortion but I have some pro life in me.

Banning the abortion of a zygote seems ridiculous. So does aborting a seven-month-old fetus.

Why not go with: you can abort until the nervous system develops.

Clearly, a fetus without a nervous system can’t be sentient and thus can’t be a person, right?

#104 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago

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#103 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism

That is not what freedom means.

Freedom does not consist in the guarantee of certain thoughts or scope for action.

Roughly speaking, freedom is when you are left alone by others when you want to be left alone.

If you are sent to school against your will, you are not free. School is forced.

Forcing children to be free is a contradiction in terms.

#102 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · revision of #35 · Criticism Battle tested

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#101 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism

It doesn't matter that he is a physicist, because his thoughts on the subject are of a philosophical/epistemological nature.

#100 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · revision of #52 · Criticism

Requiring one government per physical territory is an anachronism that Rand retains. Seems unnecessary – see criticisms to #2.

#76 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago · Criticism