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  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #68.
This is a comment on version 4, but it applies to version 5subsequent versions as well.
5 months ago · ‘Version Control for Ideas’
  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #69.

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Say you make a tpyo. Then you can fix it.

#69 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

Say you make a tpyo.

You got a typo there!

5 months ago · ‘Version Control for Ideas’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #67.
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Say you make a *tpyo*. Then you can fix it.
5 months ago · ‘Version Control for Ideas’
  Dennis Hackethal commented on idea #67.

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#67 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

This is a comment on version 4, but it applies to version 5 as well.

5 months ago · ‘Version Control for Ideas’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #65.
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5 months ago · ‘Version Control for Ideas’
  Dennis Hackethal commented on idea #65.

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#65 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

This is a comment on version 2.

5 months ago · ‘Version Control for Ideas’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #64.
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5 months ago · ‘Version Control for Ideas’
  Dennis Hackethal started a discussion titled Version Control for Ideas. The discussion starts with idea #64.

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5 months ago
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #35.
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If you are sent to school against your will, you are not free. School is a forced program.↵ ↵ Forcingforced.↵ ↵ Forcing children to be free is a contradiction in terms.
5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #34.

Freedom is achieved when the mind reaches a certain level of intellectual maturity: when it thinks for itself.

This is the purpose of compulsory education: to liberate children.

(Kant)

#34 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

Children are constantly being bossed around at school. So they can't become independent at school.

It's one thing if you don't share my idea of freedom. But the contradiction above should be enough to dissuade you from your original position: if your goal is for the child to think independently, but it chronically fails to do so at school, then school is no good even by your own logic.

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #59.

The freedom of one person, including a child's, ends where the freedom of another begins.

(Kant)

#59 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

That's right, which is why the teacher's freedom ends where the child's freedom begins.

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #56.

A multidisciplinary project involving programming, mathematics, philosophy and biology should be made possible for all young people - shouldn't it? - and would promote future skills for the digital age: expertise, critically constructive and independent thinking, skills to act and judge, epistemology, ethics and anthropology, and ecology. That would emancipate children in the enlightenment sense.

(Kant)

#56 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

The freedom of one person, including a child's, ends where the freedom of another begins.

(Kant)

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #56.

A multidisciplinary project involving programming, mathematics, philosophy and biology should be made possible for all young people - shouldn't it? - and would promote future skills for the digital age: expertise, critically constructive and independent thinking, skills to act and judge, epistemology, ethics and anthropology, and ecology. That would emancipate children in the enlightenment sense.

(Kant)

#56 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

Speaking of 'enabling' here makes no sense when young people are actually forced to do what you describe.

Maybe a given young person has no interest in the digital age. Maybe he is more interested in castles and outer space. But teachers prevent him from learning more about those by forcing him to learn "programming, mathematics, philosophy and biology" or whatever else instead.

And the fact remains that it's impossible to teach independent or critical thinking by paternalizing someone for years and telling them what they can do and think, when they may use the bathroom, when they may eat, etc. How could this possibly "emancipate children in the enlightenment sense"? How absurd!

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #55.
A multidisciplinary project involving programming, mathematics, philosophy and biology should be made possible for all young people - shouldn't it? - and would promote future skills for the digital age: expertise, critically constructive and independent thinking, skills to act and judge, epistemology, ethics and anthropology, and ecology. That would emancipate children in the sense of the enlightenment.↵
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(Kant)enlightenment sense.↵
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(Kant)
5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #35.

That is not what freedom means.

Freedom does not consist in the guarantee of certain thoughts or scope for action.

Roughly speaking, freedom is when you are left alone by others when you want to be left alone.

If you are sent to school against your will, you are not free. School is a forced program.

Forcing children to be free is a contradiction in terms.

#35 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

A multidisciplinary project involving programming, mathematics, philosophy and biology should be made possible for all young people - shouldn't it? - and would promote future skills for the digital age: expertise, critically constructive and independent thinking, skills to act and judge, epistemology, ethics and anthropology, and ecology. That would emancipate children in the sense of the enlightenment.

(Kant)

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #51.

You are referring to ideas by David Deutsch. He is a physicist; he deals with inorganic matter. His ideas on educating children are therefore irrelevant.

(Kant)

#51 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

You are a chemist. Doesn't the same criticism apply to you?

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #51.

You are referring to ideas by David Deutsch. He is a physicist; he deals with inorganic matter. His ideas on educating children are therefore irrelevant.

(Kant)

#51 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

We should judge ideas by their content, not by their source.

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #51.

You are referring to ideas by David Deutsch. He is a physicist; he deals with inorganic matter. His ideas on educating children are therefore irrelevant.

(Kant)

#51 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

It doesn't matter that he is a physicist, because his thoughts on the subject are of a philosophical/ epistemological nature.

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #35.

That is not what freedom means.

Freedom does not consist in the guarantee of certain thoughts or scope for action.

Roughly speaking, freedom is when you are left alone by others when you want to be left alone.

If you are sent to school against your will, you are not free. School is a forced program.

Forcing children to be free is a contradiction in terms.

#35 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

You are referring to ideas by David Deutsch. He is a physicist; he deals with inorganic matter. His ideas on educating children are therefore irrelevant.

(Kant)

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #47.

It was only in the 2000s that school became a compulsory program, as the teaching of skills was geared to the needs of the market rather than to enlightenment values and independent thinking.

(Kant)

#47 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

Here you are suddenly using a different criterion for coercion.

Compulsion could lie either in the raising a child to become a consumer or in the lack of intellectual maturity, but presumably not in both. (It actually lies in forcing anything onto the child, be that becoming a consumer or something else.)

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #47.

It was only in the 2000s that school became a compulsory program, as the teaching of skills was geared to the needs of the market rather than to enlightenment values and independent thinking.

(Kant)

#47 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

School violates several enlightenment values, including freedom of association and the right to bodily autonomy.

Advocating compulsory schooling for the sake of enlightenment makes no sense.

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #47.

It was only in the 2000s that school became a compulsory program, as the teaching of skills was geared to the needs of the market rather than to enlightenment values and independent thinking.

(Kant)

#47 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

Whether school is compulsory does not depend on whether you as a teacher dislike the curriculum, but on whether the student is forced to go to school.

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #35.

That is not what freedom means.

Freedom does not consist in the guarantee of certain thoughts or scope for action.

Roughly speaking, freedom is when you are left alone by others when you want to be left alone.

If you are sent to school against your will, you are not free. School is a forced program.

Forcing children to be free is a contradiction in terms.

#35 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

It was only in the 2000s that school became a compulsory program, as the teaching of skills was geared to the needs of the market rather than to enlightenment values and independent thinking.

(Kant)

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #44.

Freedom of choice is not restricted at school. For example, students can choose between different languages. They can choose their exams and what to read, etc.

(Kant)

#44 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

Exams are not an example of freedom of choice. On the contrary: they are an instrument of oppression.

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #44.

Freedom of choice is not restricted at school. For example, students can choose between different languages. They can choose their exams and what to read, etc.

(Kant)

#44 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

That's not a real choice. For example, I had to choose between French and Latin, but I didn't have the choice to do neither and create a new alternative.

Compulsory schooling itself violates freedom of choice, as the student does not have the choice to stay at home and do something else with his time instead.

5 months ago · ‘Does Compulsory Schooling Serve to Liberate Children?’