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  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1406.

Wouldn’t copyright make LLMs illegal, too?

#1406·Amaro Koberle, 7 months ago

Yes they are leeches

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1402.

Copyright just seems so arbitrary to me. The whole edifice of law around it. Why 70 years after the author's death? What's "original"? When is it "my own words?"

#1402·Amaro Koberle, 7 months ago

When is it "my own words?"

When you come up with it yourself. Like are you doing right now with your messages (to which you own the copyright, btw, unless the Veritula terms disagree, I’d have to double check).

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1402.

Copyright just seems so arbitrary to me. The whole edifice of law around it. Why 70 years after the author's death? What's "original"? When is it "my own words?"

#1402·Amaro Koberle, 7 months ago

What's "original"?

Drawing stick figures is not, writing down a completely new text with new concepts is. There are some gray areas but again (#1403), that doesn’t mean copyright doesn’t make sense as a whole.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1402.

Copyright just seems so arbitrary to me. The whole edifice of law around it. Why 70 years after the author's death? What's "original"? When is it "my own words?"

#1402·Amaro Koberle, 7 months ago

Why 70 years after the author's death?

That seems excessive to me too, but you can thank lobbyists for that. Doesn’t mean copyright doesn’t make sense as a whole.

  Dennis Hackethal revised criticism #1398.

Copyright is a well known law in widespread use.

Copyright is a well-known law in widespread use.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1397.

I wasn't aware that I signed such a contract when buying a book. I think for the contract to be valid I have to be aware of the conditions, no?

#1397·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

Ignorance of the law is not generally a legal defense, afaik.

If it were, any criminal could simply claim he didn’t know what he was doing was illegal. Which would be arbitrary.

Which brings us, again, to the purpose of the law: to prevent and address the arbitrary in social life (#1345).

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1397.

I wasn't aware that I signed such a contract when buying a book. I think for the contract to be valid I have to be aware of the conditions, no?

#1397·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

Copyright is a well known law in widespread use.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1394.

Copyright prevents the flow of ideas/information.

#1394·Dennis Hackethal, 8 months ago

Copyright doesn’t prevent people from talking about someone else’s text in their own words, as much as they want.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1394.

Copyright prevents the flow of ideas/information.

#1394·Dennis Hackethal, 8 months ago

No. Copyright never prevents consenting parties from sharing text freely as long as everyone agrees that that’s ok (see #1330).

  Dennis Hackethal submitted criticism #1394.

Copyright prevents the flow of ideas/information.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1386.

So it's not me who's pirating the book that is violating her right. It's whoever uploaded it for me to download it, right?

#1386·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

If someone steals a bike and then gifts it to you that doesn’t mean the owner can’t have it back just because you didn’t steal it. Same for copyright.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1389.

Lol no, I'm trying to understand your point. You're saying that buying a book is a bit like signing an NDA, where I can be held liable for breach of contract if I disclose information. Did I get that right?

#1389·Amaro Koberle revised 8 months ago

Not like signing NDA since you are free to talk about the ideas in the book in your own words, but kinda like breach of contract yeah.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1386.

So it's not me who's pirating the book that is violating her right. It's whoever uploaded it for me to download it, right?

#1386·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

If you’re looking for someone to assuage your guilt over having pirated copyrighted content in the past, you won’t get that from me.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1384.

Okay so without referring to current legislation. I understand that it is currently illegal, just like tax evasion, but that won't go far in persuading me that it isn't right.

#1384·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

Ok let’s rewind the clock and say JK Rowling has finished writing Harry Potter but she hasn’t published it yet.

And she says: I’m going to publish and sell this book on condition that anyone who buys it not distribute it further. They can read it but they can’t redistribute it without my permission.

Those are the terms of publication. It’s a contract. And anyone who buys the book is then bound by the contract.

She would not publish the book otherwise.

She created a value and she wants to trade that value for something specific (money in exchange for reading, not redistributing).

Others are free to take her up on the offer or ignore her.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1382.

Why am I violating her rights?

#1382·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

Because she owns the copyright.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1378.

Why? I don't get that. She's not losing anything.

#1378·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

Your perspective on whether she loses anything really doesn’t matter. That’s the same even for cold hard property. If I exchange your tic tacs for $1,000,000 without your consent, you only win, you didn’t lose, but it’s still theft.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1378.

Why? I don't get that. She's not losing anything.

#1378·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

You’re violating her rights: specifically, her copyright. That’s an aggression.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1375.

Am I committing aggression against JK Rowling if I pirate a PDF copy of Harry Potter?

#1375·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

Yes.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1338.

All that being said, I think crediting people for inspiration is good form and should be part of common polite behavior.

#1338·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

Credit is a different matter from copyright. Plagiarism and copyright infringement aren’t the same thing.

  Dennis Hackethal commented on idea #1371.

So… the law extending to others’ property is nothing new and not totalitarian in and of itself.

#1371·Dennis Hackethal, 8 months ago

I should be clear though that it is only right for the law to interfere with property to protect others’ rights. It’s not right for the law to confiscate your money to collect taxes, say.

  Dennis Hackethal commented on idea #1370.

exactly

#1370·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

So… the law extending to others’ property is nothing new and not totalitarian in and of itself.

  Dennis Hackethal commented on idea #1368.

Maybe? Kinda? Not sure.

You don't get to use your knife to aggress on others, that much is clear. So perhaps this can be understood as a right of others to do certain things with your property.

#1368·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

Right, like preventing you from murdering them.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #1366.

I can also think of ways this could be misused.

#1366·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

Some people abuse the letter of the law to violate the spirit of the law, but that doesn’t mean the corresponding laws are bad per se. Those are problems, errors that can be corrected.

  Dennis Hackethal commented on idea #1363.

So if someone publishes a blog post falsely but believably accusing you of being a pedophile and then all your business partners stop talking to you and you lose all your money and your friends and family ghost you, you wouldn’t want to have any legal recourse?

#1363·Dennis Hackethal, 8 months ago
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  Dennis Hackethal commented on idea #1362.

I'm not sure it's a good thing.

#1362·Amaro Koberle, 8 months ago

So if someone publishes a blog post falsely but believably accusing you of being a pedophile and then all your business partners stop talking to you and you lose all your money and your friends and family ghost you, you wouldn’t want to have any legal recourse?