Can qualia be separated from personhood?

  Tyler Mills commented on idea #4747.

(7) We can be conscious of the apple imagery for the entire 5 seconds.

#4747​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 months ago

PROBLEM: Why are we conscious of the apple rendering? Given (6), why is there an experience of it, if the programs comprising it are looping, and so are therefore predefined?

  Tyler Mills commented on idea #4746.

(6) Repeated running of the same fixed program is automatic, requires no creativity, and cannot constitute experience.

#4746​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 months ago

(7) We can be conscious of the apple imagery for the entire 5 seconds.

  Tyler Mills commented on idea #4745.

(5) Repeated running of the same fixed program, not being a person, does not make it a person.

#4745​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 months ago

(6) Repeated running of the same fixed program is automatic, requires no creativity, and cannot constitute experience.

  Tyler Mills commented on idea #4743.

(4) The programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

#4743​·​Tyler MillsOP revised 3 months ago

(5) Repeated running of the same fixed program, not being a person, does not make it a person.

  Tyler Mills revised idea #4741.

(4) By A1, the programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

(4) The programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

  Tyler Mills revised idea #4739.

(4) The programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

(4) By A1, the programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

  Tyler Mills posted idea #4740.

Assumption A1: Only programs that are people while running constitute qualia/experience/subjectivity/consciousness.

  Tyler Mills commented on idea #4738.

(3) The programs rendering the apple imagery must be looping until stopped, since they could not have advance knowledge of when the stimulus stops.

#4738​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 months ago

(4) The programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

  Tyler Mills commented on idea #4737.

(2) The rendering is caused by the running of some number of programs.

#4737​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 months ago

(3) The programs rendering the apple imagery must be looping until stopped, since they could not have advance knowledge of when the stimulus stops.

  Tyler Mills commented on idea #4736.

(1) During the entire 5 seconds, your mind renders the image of the apple.

#4736​·​Tyler MillsOP, 3 months ago

(2) The rendering is caused by the running of some number of programs.

  Tyler Mills started a discussion titled ‘Can qualia be separated from personhood? ’.

Can a program which is not a person constitute an experience?

Imagine you are in a pitch black room. Before your eyes, a spotlight illuminates an apple for 5 seconds before darkness returns. Among other things, your mind will render the image of the apple for the 5 seconds, then it will not (afterimages aside). Assume the physical stimulus is identical for the whole 5 seconds.

Itemized discussion below.

The discussion starts with idea #4736.

(1) During the entire 5 seconds, your mind renders the image of the apple.