Choosing a place to live

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I am approaching a point in my life where I will soon have the financial freedom to choose where in the world I live. I want to discuss various criteria for criticising different places. I am currently a citizen of New Zealand and UK.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#2288·​

I want superior water quality for drinking, bathing, etc.

This means I need to live somewhere sufficiently advanced to be able to provide and service high quality reverse-osmosis water filters. Otherwise I would need to be somewhere that I can directly access spring water, which I think is much more difficult.

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Zelalem Mekonnen·​#3343·​

All the areas in the US I have lived in have terrible water quality.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#2295·​
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I could have multiple homes around the world that I move between throughout the year. This way I can make the most of geographical and seasonal advantages of different places.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#2290·​

I want to live close to thriving cities (say, no more than 60 minutes away on an average day).

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#2291·​

I want access to good quality food, particularly good quality meat, dairy, and fruit. Ideally the place I live has a growing culture of eating well (for example, in Austin, many restaurants are now making it a point not to use any seed oils in their cooking.)

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Dennis Hackethal·​#2297·​

You may want to check out Instagram account jacbfoods. He used to be opposed to seed oils, but when he got his master’s degree in dietetics, he changed his mind.

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Zelalem Mekonnen·​#3344·​

Avoid the US for this. Food quality is worse than third world countries. The food is no where near as organic. Unpopular opinion, but I don't think food should be industrialized.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#2298·​
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I want to live in places that are mostly sunny, most of the time. This is for health reasons.

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Zelalem Mekonnen·​#3345·​

In the US, California!

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#2293·​

I want to live somewhere with a more libertarian culture than average. I want to live somewhere where property rights are respected more than average, and people are left alone by the government more than average.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#2294·​

Ideally I would live at some altitude, for health reasons.

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Dirk Meulenbelt·​#2341·​

Switzerland near the Italian border might work.

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Dennis Hackethal·​#2342·​

If America is an option (you mention Austin), the non-coastal Western US could work.

A lot of those states get good water from the Sierra Nevada or the Rocky Mountains.

Those states have either no or low state income tax and largely leave residents alone. (For example, the difference between CA and NV during Covid was night and day.)

Southern NV gets a lot of sun throughout the year. NV has no state income tax.

I’ve heard good things about the area surrounding Las Vegas, though I haven’t been myself.

New Mexico could be good for high altitude (I think).

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Zelalem Mekonnen·​#3346·​

I second that about Las Vegas. If you don't mind the provocative posters, southern Nevada, southern Utah, Northern Arizona is a great place to be.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3185·​
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I would like to have kids one day. I should find places that allow kids to pursue their interests with minimal or no legally required education standards infringing on that.

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Dennis Hackethal·​#3402·​

I’ve heard good things about New Hampshire in this regard. I think they have no compulsory schooling.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3187·​

A place to live: North Shore, Auckland, New Zealand

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3188·​·​Criticism

Auckland is at sea level, so the health benefits of being at altitude are not available here.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3189·​·​Criticism

Reduced sun exposure: Auckland experiences a lot of cloud cover and rainfall, particularly during the winter months. Summer months are quite good though. Auckland gets about 2,000 - 2,120 hours of sunshine per year according to Google.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3191·​·​Criticism

If children are not sent to school, there is a lot of bureaucratic work that the parents need to go through. It requires an exemption application and the Ministry of Education retains the right to review the educational philosophy and curriculum.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3192·​·​Criticism

People are not fully free to do what they want with the land. The Resource Management Act (RMA) and local council unitary plans create extreme friction. Modifications to land, heritage overlays, and tree protection laws severely restrict the "Right to Build."

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3193·​·​Criticism

Taxation: No comprehensive capital gains tax and no inheritance tax suggest a favorable environment. However, the Foreign Investment Fund (FIF) rules tax unrealized gains on foreign assets, and trust tax rates are high (39%), creating friction for global capital allocators.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3194·​·​Criticism

No right to self-defense: Self-defense laws rely on "reasonable force" proportionality which often favours the aggressor in court. Pepper spray is classified as a restricted weapon and is illegal for civilians to carry for self-defense.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3195·​·​Criticism

Freedom of expression is generally upheld by common law, but recent legislative trends and the Harmful Digital Communications Act introduce mechanisms for state censorship regarding "hate speech."

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3196·​·​Criticism

Social Trust / Safety: Urban awareness required. While historically very safe, recent trends in property crime and "ram raids" indicate a degrading security environment. It is no longer a "doors unlocked" culture.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3190·​·​Criticism

Auckland tap water is drinkable, but fluoride is added.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3197·​

A place to live: Greenwich, London, United Kingdom

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3198·​·​Criticism

Very little sunlight except for a fairly brief period in summer. About 1,600 hours per year.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3201·​
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Note: This comment was added at the wrong level in the chain.

At sea level, so fails altitude criterion in #2294.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3200·​·​Criticism

At sea level, so fails altitude criterion in #2294.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3204·​·​Criticism
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London tap water is recycled repeatedly (waste-to-tap loop) and is very "hard." While currently not artificially fluoridated in Greenwich (unlike other UK regions), the high density of population upstream creates risks of trace pharmaceutical contaminants that standard filters miss.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3206·​·​Criticism

Air Quality: While Greenwich is "leafier" than central London and benefits from the park, it is still within the London orbital pollution belt. PM2.5 levels frequently exceed WHO pristine standards, though the ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone) has mitigated diesel fumes.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3207·​·​Criticism

Temperature: Not extremely cold, but "damp chill”. Summers are mostly mild.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3208·​·​Criticism

Homeschooling is currently legal, but the "Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill" (2025) introduces a mandatory register for home-educated children, signaling a shift from a "notification" system to a "permission" system.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3209·​·​Criticism

Very little property sovereignty: The UK planning system is draconian. Conservation areas (common in Greenwich) prevent minor alterations (windows, doors).

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3210·​·​Criticism

Taxation: As of April 2025, the classic "Non-Dom" regime is abolished. While a 4-year exemption exists for new arrivals, long-term residents face worldwide taxation at high rates (45% top rate), plus a potential 40% inheritance tax on global assets. It is no longer a viable long-term tax haven.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3211·​·​Criticism

The UK has arguably the strictest anti-self-defense laws in the West. Pepper spray is classified as a "Section 5 Firearm" (illegal). Carrying any item for the purpose of defense is a criminal offense. You are effectively legally mandated to be a victim.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3212·​·​Criticism

The UK has normalized arrests for online speech ("malicious communications"). The definition of "hate speech" is fluid and policed aggressively, creating a high-risk environment for public dissenters.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3213·​·​Criticism

Rule of Law: The criminal justice system is increasingly viewed as "two-tier" and politicised. Administrative bloat causes significant delays in civil matters.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3214·​·​Criticism

Greenwich is safer than central boroughs, but London is currently experiencing an epidemic of "high-value" street robbery (watches, phones) and bike jackings. It is not a "high trust" environment.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3216·​
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A place to live: Prescott, Arizona

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3218·​·​Criticism

Prescott has active zoning and historic preservation boards that can act as NIMBY barriers to development. Water rights are a complex/critical legal layer here.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3219·​·​Criticism

Arizona employs a flat income tax (2.5%). There is no estate tax/death tax. While federal US taxes still apply (global taxation), for a US-domiciled Sovereign, this is as efficient as it gets. But it is still in America.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3220·​·​Criticism

US courts are generally reliable, though expensive. Corruption is low, but the US legal system is litigious. You are unlikely to face bribery, but likely to face regulatory lawfare if you scale too big.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3221·​·​Criticism

Urban Proximity: Prescott is ~90 minutes from Phoenix Sky Harbor (International Airport) and Level 1 Trauma care. It is a manageable drive, but not "immediate" access.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3238·​

277 sunny days per year.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3239·​

~1,630m altitude.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3240·​

Arizona is a premier beef producer. Raw milk is legal for retail sale (with state license) and herd shares are expressly permitted by statute. Proximity to Mexico (Nogales port) ensures a steady flow of tropical fruits (papaya, mango) alongside California produce.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3222·​

A place to live: Incline Village, Nevada

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3223·​·​Criticism

This is a ski town. Cold is a real factor in winter, requiring cold adaptation or good heating. However, summer is the ideal: warm days (25°C), cool nights, and low humidity.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3224·​·​Criticism

The Tahoe Regional Planning Agency (TRPA) is notoriously bureaucratic regarding building and land use (to protect the lake clarity). You cannot just "build a shed." However, once built, property rights are strong, and the "Nevada side" shields you from California's rental laws.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3225·​·​Criticism

Expensive!

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3226·​

A place to live: Galena Forest, Nevada

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3228·​·​Criticism

Winter temperatures frequently drop below freezing.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3231·​·​Criticism

Water is chlorinated.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3227·​·​Criticism

While Nevada offers 0% State Income Tax, residents still pay Federal Income Tax. The United States enforces Citizenship-Based Taxation (CBT). You are subject to federal tax on worldwide income and invasive reporting (FATCA), regardless of residency.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3229·​

1,700m elevation is nice.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3230·​

300+ days of sun per year!

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3257·​
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A place to live: Tunuyán or Tupungato districts, Mendoza, Argentina

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3247·​·​Criticism of an earlier version

Possible arsenic and other contaminants in water.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3248·​·​Criticism of an earlier version

Argentina has mandatory schooling laws, but the constitution guarantees the "right to teach." There is no specific law explicitly banning homeschooling, nor one regulating it. It exists in a "tolerance" void. Milei's "Omnibus Law" proposed explicit legalisation, but the situation remains administratively "don't ask, don't tell."

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3249·​·​Criticism of an earlier version

Argentina is not a tax haven. Becoming a tax resident (living >12 months) triggers a Global Income Tax (Progressive up to 35%), and a Personal Assets Tax (Wealth Tax) on worldwide assets.

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Dirk Meulenbelt·​#4978·​

Currently Argentina is also very bad at collecting tax from you.

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Dirk Meulenbelt·​#4979·​

It's unlikely that an anarcho-capitalist president, if given enough time, will not lower these taxes.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3254·​·​Criticism of an earlier version

Corruption has historically been endemic, but the current administration is aggressively purging regulatory capture. However, legal enforcement can still be slow, and the judiciary is not fully independent of political winds.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3245·​·​On an earlier version

Mendoza sits in a "rain shadow" and receives ~300+ days of sun annually.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3246·​·​On an earlier version

~900m – 1,700m altitude.

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3251·​·​On an earlier version
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Milei's administration has authorized semi-automatic rifles for civilians again (reversing a ban) and streamlined the "Legitimate User" (CLU) process.

Pepper spray is legal and unregulated.

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Zelalem Mekonnen·​#3347·​

Do you care to be around people that speak your native tongue?

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Benjamin DaviesOP·​#3353·​

No. If living in the best place on Earth requires me to learn a new language I will happily do so. Thankfully I have an interest in languages so it wouldn’t be a problem for long.

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