Is Self-Replication Required for the Growth of Knowledge?

  Tyler Mills commented on criticism #4094.

You could think up a design for a self-replicating machine and then build it. Assuming you made no critical mistakes, you have made a self-replicator that hasn’t self-replicated yet.

It is considered a replicator based on what it can do, rather than on what it has done.

#4094·Benjamin Davies, about 10 hours ago

Agreed. Thanks.

  Benjamin Davies criticized idea #4043.

How many times need something be replicated before the term 'replicator' should apply? If it's a matter of reliability, what defines reliable? Is "replicator-ness" on a continuum?

#4043·Tyler MillsOP, 1 day ago

You could think up a design for a self-replicating machine and then build it. Assuming you made no critical mistakes, you have made a self-replicator that hasn’t self-replicated yet.

It is considered a replicator based on what it can do, rather than on what it has done.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #4050.

Some people (most notably Ella Hoeppner) have argued that replication isn’t necessary for evolution to take place. All you need is variation and selection.

#4050·Dennis Hackethal, about 20 hours ago

As I wrote in #4051, it doesn’t matter to me whether replication is necessary for evolution to take place. I’m open to the idea that it isn’t. But what I’d like instead is some argument why it couldn’t figure in the evolution that happens in the mind.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #4050.

Some people (most notably Ella Hoeppner) have argued that replication isn’t necessary for evolution to take place. All you need is variation and selection.

#4050·Dennis Hackethal, about 20 hours ago

3) From what I’ve seen, the attempt to remove replication from evolution doesn’t actually remove it.

If you take some string of information and vary it, then by definition, only parts of it become different. Other parts are preserved. Even if you vary the string several times, the parts that didn’t change were still instantiated at each stage. So they still replicated. (As I recall, this is how Richard Dawkins defines what a gene is, in his book The Selfish Gene.)

Also, just by thinking about the string of information and how to vary it, you’ve already replicated the information. It now exists in its original medium and in your mind.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #4050.

Some people (most notably Ella Hoeppner) have argued that replication isn’t necessary for evolution to take place. All you need is variation and selection.

#4050·Dennis Hackethal, about 20 hours ago

2) We can explain more if we use replicators. For example, memory and the origin of creativity just ‘fall out’ of the neo-Darwinian approach. Ideas in a single mind may have static vs dynamic replication strategies. All of that is lost without the notion of replication.

  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #4050.

Some people (most notably Ella Hoeppner) have argued that replication isn’t necessary for evolution to take place. All you need is variation and selection.

#4050·Dennis Hackethal, about 20 hours ago

My response has always been that I don’t care whether replication is a necessary component of evolution, but that, 1), in the Popperian spirit, we shouldn’t break with other evolutionary theories unnecessarily. Genes and memes both replicate.

  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #4049.

My neo-Darwinian approach to the mind suggests that minds evolve knowledge through the imperfect replication of ideas.

#4049·Dennis Hackethal, about 20 hours ago

Some people (most notably Ella Hoeppner) have argued that replication isn’t necessary for evolution to take place. All you need is variation and selection.

  Dennis Hackethal submitted idea #4049.

My neo-Darwinian approach to the mind suggests that minds evolve knowledge through the imperfect replication of ideas.

  Tyler Mills submitted idea #4043.

How many times need something be replicated before the term 'replicator' should apply? If it's a matter of reliability, what defines reliable? Is "replicator-ness" on a continuum?

  Tyler Mills commented on idea #4041.

What is the distinction between replication and self-replication?

#4041·Tyler MillsOP revised 1 day ago

The distinction is where the knowledge for performing the replication is physically located.

Replication is: an entity in an environment being recreated or copied because of the environment (which can include the entity, as in the case of self-replication). The general case.

Self-replication is the special case of replication where: an entity is replicated as caused by aspects of itself alone. The knowledge for its replication is within it.

  Tyler Mills revised idea #4040.

What is the distinction between replication and self-replication? Does anything "truly" self-replicate?

What is the distinction between replication and self-replication?

  Tyler Mills started a discussion titled ‘Is Self-Replication Required for the Growth of Knowledge? ’.

Either in biological evolution, or the evolution of ideas (programs) in a mind, is a mechanism for self-replication required for knowledge to grow? That is, do entities within the system need to be able to recreate themselves, or cause themselves to be recreated, for there to be progress? Why?

The discussion starts with idea #4040.

What is the distinction between replication and self-replication? Does anything "truly" self-replicate?