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Dennis Hackethal, 6 months ago·#1392·· Collapse

If someone steals a bike and then gifts it to you that doesn’t mean the owner can’t have it back just because you didn’t steal it. Same for copyright.

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Amaro Koberle, 5 months ago·#1427·· Collapse

So then JK Rowling can use violence against me to extort the value that I have supposedly stolen by downloading a book that was uploaded in violation of a contract by a third person?

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Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago·#1428·· Collapse

Not sure that’s extortion but yes, generally speaking, people have the right to use force to prevent and address the arbitrary in social life (#1345).

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Amaro Koberle, 5 months ago·#1429·· Collapse

But I was never party to that contract! I never agreed not to distribute it, and I also didn't actually distribute it. I just downloaded it from Pirate bay.

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Dennis Hackethal revised 5 months ago·#1432·· Collapse

Duplicate of #1386. Repeating an argument that has outstanding criticisms doesn’t address the criticisms. You can address the criticisms or revise the argument or abandon the argument.

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Dennis Hackethal revised 5 months ago·#1434·· Collapse

Circular due to #1386.

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Amaro Koberle, 5 months ago·#1436·· Collapse

There, the owner is short of a bike. Returning it to him will make him whole. The situation looks quite different in the case of information, at least in my eyes. What exactly is to be returned?

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Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago·#1437·· Collapse

Maybe you could simply pay her the price of the book plus interest plus a fee for the inconvenience. Plus some ‘deterrence fee’ so that most people don’t even think of doing it to begin with.

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Amaro Koberle, 5 months ago·#1439·· Collapse

But I didn't agree to buy the book. I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't found it on pirate bay, let's say.

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Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago·#1440·· Collapse

You never agreed to buy the bike either, that’s the point.

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Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago·#1441·· Collapse

You didn’t trade value for value. You traded nothing at all and only received. A free market and justice depend on people interacting as traders, not as leeches (objectivism).

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Amaro Koberle, 5 months ago·#1442·· Collapse

I have received a pattern of information. Information cannot be owned as it is non-scarce. JK Rowling is asking me to give her money for something that was never hers to begin with.

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Amaro Koberle, 5 months ago·#1443·· Collapse

Going in circles now.

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Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago·#1444·· Collapse

Not circular since #1346 is not a parent of this idea.

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Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago·#1445·· Collapse

Duplicate of #1346.

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Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago·#1438·· Collapse

Just returning the bike doesn’t necessarily make him whole. Maybe he lost revenues during the time he couldn’t use his bike.

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