Attempts at Understanding Fallibilism

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Zelalem Mekonnen’s avatar
Zelalem MekonnenOP·​#2371·​
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Fallibilism is the idea that all of our knowledge contains errors, and that nothing is obviously obvious but depends on what one understands about reality. This means that we can't be certain about anything, because all knowledge contains errors. Knowledge, therefore, grows by addressing the errors we encounter as we encounter them. We can't solve a problem we haven't encountered yet. We solve problems by guessing solutions and testing them. This also means we should always be careful not to destroy or even slow down the things and ideas that correct errors and thereby create knowledge. Some of which are freedom, privacy, and free markets. We are also never the passive recipients of our knowledge; we are the creators.

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Dennis Hackethal·​#2374·​·​Criticism

Fallibilism is the idea that all of our knowledge contains errors…

This is a common mischaracterization of fallibilism. It’s actually a form of cynicism. See https://blog.dennishackethal.com/posts/don-t-take-fallibilism-too-far

In reality, fallibilism is the view that there is no criterion to say with certainty what’s true and what’s false; that, as a result, we inevitably make mistakes; and that some of our knowledge is mistaken at any given time. But not all of it.

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Zelalem MekonnenOP·​#2544·​
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So there is no way to tell the truth of our knowledge. It may solve a problem, but that doesn't guarantee that it’s true.

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Dennis Hackethal·​#2375·​·​Criticism

obviously obvious

Did you mean to say ‘obviously true’?

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Zelalem MekonnenOP·​#2376·​

Nope, I meant it in a sort of poetic way. "Obviously true" vs "Obviously obvious"??

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Dennis Hackethal·​#2382·​·​Criticism

Knowledge, therefore, grows by addressing the errors we encounter as we encounter them.

Remove ‘therefore’

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Zelalem MekonnenOP·​#2392·​·​Criticism

I think the 'therefore' means that the following point is a direct result of the preceding claim.

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Dennis Hackethal·​#2383·​·​Criticism

Knowledge, therefore, grows by addressing the errors we encounter as we encounter them.

The part “as we encounter them” implies that we address every error the minute we find it. That isn’t true. Some errors take a long time to address. We also have to prioritize some errors over others because they are more important or more urgent or both.

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Dennis Hackethal·​#2385·​·​Criticism

Should credit Popper where applicable (with a disclaimer that any errors are yours, if you want to be careful).

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Dennis Hackethal·​#2386·​·​Criticism
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…because all knowledge contains errors.

This isn’t true, see #2374.

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Dennis Hackethal·​#2388·​·​Criticism
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We can't solve a problem we haven't encountered yet.

Some theories have enough reach to solve problems we haven’t encountered or even considered yet. I would just remove this sentence.

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Zelalem MekonnenOP·​#2395·​·​Criticism

At the same time, there is a notion that I want to address that flows from fallibilism, and the reason decentralized 'things' tend to be more truth seeking. Even though a given knowledge has solved problems we haven't yet discovered, we still got that solution by solving a problem we encountered, and we can't solve problems we haven't encountered. When we try to solve a problem, we might find out that we've already solved it, but that only happens after we have looked at the problem.

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Zelalem MekonnenOP·​#2399·​
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Finding problems that a knowledge addresses is a form of new knowledge.

Maybe not. Figured that out as I was typing. The knowledge isn't new.

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