Myth of the Framework Book Club

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Dennis HackethalOP·​#3565·​

The myth Popper criticizes, in one sentence:

A rational and fruitful discussion is impossible unless the participants share a common framework of basic assumptions or, at least, unless they have agreed on such a framework for the purpose of the discussion.

pp. 34-35

By ‘framework’, Popper means an intellectual framework (as opposed to, say, certain attitudes like a desire to find truth).

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Dennis HackethalOP·​#3566·​·​Criticism

Popper grants that the myth has a “kernel of truth” (p. 35). A fruitful discussion can be hard without a common framework. But it’s not impossible.

A discussion is fruitful if people learn. The more their views differ, the more they can learn from each other!

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Dennis HackethalOP·​#3585·​·​Criticism
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The myth stems from a “disappointed over-optimism concerning the powers of reason …”. (P. 44)

People think truth should win decisively. But discussions usually don’t lead to such a decisive victory (see #3568). So then people become pessimistic about the fruitfulness of discussions.

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Dennis HackethalOP·​#3587·​·​Criticism

The myth also stems from cultural relativism: the idea that truth is different for different cultures and that “there is no absolute or objective truth, but rather one truth for the Greeks, another for the Egyptians, still another for the Syrians, and so on.” (P. 45)

Popper opposes this relativism. He says it’s devastating when it comes to the administration of justice, say. “[W]e should try to understand and to compare [different cultures and conceptual frameworks]. We should try to find out who has the better institutions. And we should try to learn from them.” (P. 46)

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Dennis HackethalOP·​#3588·​·​Criticism

Cultural relativism and the doctrine of the closed framework are serious obstacles to the readiness to learn from others. They are obstacles to the method of accepting some institutions, modifying others, and rejecting what is bad.

P. 46
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Dennis HackethalOP·​#3591·​·​Criticism
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Fallibilism refutes the relativism on which the myth rests because fallibilism provides an absolute standard:

[T]here exists a very different attitude towards absolute truth, in fact a fallibilist attitude. It stresses the fact that the mistakes we make can be absolute mistakes, in the sense that our theories can be absolutely false – that they can fall short of the truth. Thus to the fallibilist the notion of truth, and that of falling short of the truth, may represent absolute standards – even though we can never be certain that we are living up to them. But since they may serve as a kind of steering compass, they may be of decisive help in critical discussions.

P. 48

Popper then says that Alfred Tarsky revived this notion of absolute truth.

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Dennis HackethalOP·​#3593·​·​Criticism

But is not Tarski's notion of truth a relative notion? Is it not relative to the language to which the statement whose truth is being discussed belongs?

P. 48
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