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Idea: rational discussion graph with recursive criticism evaluation, like Veritula does now. Except the ideas are programs, not natural-language text. And they execute when they have no pending criticisms.

#5298·​Dennis Hackethal, 2 months ago

Interesting and disturbing. I still think psychology is the prime suspect for me, though. Runaway thinking. I'll pay more attention going forward, and see if I observe this "alertness signal."

#5297·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago

I do use 0% brightness on my monitor and Windows' red night filter at 90% about 90 minutes before getting ready for bed, and I use only a warm-colored lamp. But could do more. Have not messed with the actual monitor color presets (turning off the blue and green channels; not the same thing as the night filter?). No screens at all seems like a smarter habit, which I'll work toward.

#5296·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago

I have traveled internationally, and I think jetlag is the same as just staying up very late. Both allow for fast time-to-sleep (<30min). I can fall asleep quickly if I've been awake for 19 hours, say. The issue is trying to achieve that time-to-sleep for ~16 hours of awake time.

#5295·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago

I've wondered about taking some regular to fall asleep, and the time-released to stay asleep. But in any case testing so far has shown melatonin (of either kind) on its own does not significantly help the falling asleep issue (the greater of the two, falling asleep and staying).

#5291·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago

A cursory search suggests I was mistaken. It may be "mentally" habit forming (one becomes anxious if it's unavailable). But that's no big deal. So it could be a fine long-term solution to the staying asleep problem. What's not to love: #5205.

#5290·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago

Indeed; the criticism included with it (that I don't want to be dependent) applies to regular melatonin as well.

#5289·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago

Oh I definitely meal prep. But major room for improvement. Work in progress.

#5287·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago

Looks awesome! Didn't realize you have a bodybuilding channel, will check it out.

#5286·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago

Not sleeping at all certainly damages the rhythm. But for me the current choice is between a chemically-mediated 8-9 hours from, say, 12am to 8am, or a natural 5-6 hours, from 2 or 3am to 8am. Both are similar in terms of the day night cycle, and not close to as bad as sleeping in to noon (and later and later) would be, I think.

#5285·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago·​Criticism

This depends on neighboring residents being home during your apartment tour, and being honest (or correct) about noise pollution (maybe they're causing it and don't know). The search remains an uncertain one, even with great interview participation.

#5284·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago·​Criticism

Finding quiet places in a city is indeed doable, but it's hard to even come close to guaranteeing success. There's no way to sample an apartment for 24 hours before moving in. It comes down to scoping it out, reading reviews, interviewing other residents if you can, then signing the lease and hoping for the best. If it's a bad fit, moving again is a huge, costly hassle.

#5282·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago·​Criticism

I would not say I care for rural America. It sounds nice on the one hand, but conflicts with my anti-hermit hangup (I don't want to be isolated from society, at least not too much...). My vague ideal has always been: "big city in the near distance." Agreed that too quiet is a problem but that's trivial to solve compared to too loud.

#5281·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago·​Criticism

I do not have a consistent 9am obligation now, no. But my implicit hope here is to find lasting solutions. I expect to have morning obligations again one day, maybe very soon.

#5280·​Tyler MillsOP, 2 months ago·​Criticism

I tried this for a few days recently. By day three or four I went to bed at around 6am and woke up at 2pm. Didn’t feel great the rest of the day. Went back to a more regular sleep schedule after that and feeling better now.

#5279·​Dennis Hackethal, 2 months ago·​Criticism

You can structure discussions any way you like as long as you make sure the structure won’t break criticism chains.

Comments are for commentary or criticism, not elaborations on the same idea. The same idea shouldn’t be spread over multiple posts. That breaks criticism chains.

Veritula threads don’t work like Twitter/X threads, where people post elaborations on the same idea in comments. They used to have to do that because Twitter enforced a character limit. Now they still do it by tradition. And I’m guessing it’s an adjustment coming to Veritula.

If you realize you need to add more info to an existing idea, put it in a revision, not a comment. Again, #5250 seems like a revision of #5249. The revision of #5249 would then be a combination of both.

#5278·​Dennis Hackethal, 2 months ago

Possibly yeah. It doesn’t look like you were going off that. #5246 isn’t a proposed solution. Neither is #5250. That’s an elaboration on #5249.

#5277·​Dennis Hackethal, 2 months ago·​Criticism

Would it be better to make them all root ideas?

#5274·​Benjamin DaviesOP, 2 months ago

But the UI won’t reflect that automatically. Now you have to remember which threads have this structure and which don’t. Will you remember that, say, six months from now?

#5272·​Dennis Hackethal revised 2 months ago·​Original #5269·​Criticism

This approach breaks search functions, where the system only goes off the ‘Criticized’ flag. Now the system shows some ideas as rationally adoptable even though they aren’t.

#5270·​Dennis Hackethal, 2 months ago·​Criticism

There’s no need to single out corroboration or verisimilitude as special kinds of criticism.

Preference formation using either can easily be reduced to the method of counting pending criticisms:

Idea A fails to survive two tests.
Idea B fails to survive only one of the two.
Idea C says: I have only A and B; I don’t have time to create another; although both are false, I have to act; so for now I prefer B since at least it passes a test A doesn’t.

If idea C has no pending criticisms, then we should adopt it. (And thus ‘transitively’ adopt B.)

#5265·​Dennis Hackethal, 2 months ago·​Criticism

We can rationally prefer A over B if A has no pending criticisms whereas B has at least one.

The property you mention is the existence of pending criticisms.

#5264·​Dennis Hackethal revised 2 months ago·​Original #5258

You can still prefer A over B if neither has pending criticisms. The “if and only if” is too strict.

#5263·​Dennis Hackethal, 2 months ago·​Criticism