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#2367​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 7 months ago​·​Criticism

Sure it's hard to see. But I don't think it's impossible. For example, life could spread beyond the biosphere by asteroids, or aviating organisms slowly ascending upwards to eventually set off to space. Unlikely for sure, but again, why would it be impossible?

#2366​·​Erik OrrjeOP, 7 months ago​·​Criticism

Guess: All those "facts about reality" are just knowledge about regularities in the gene's environment. Some regularities are more context-independent than others, but we can't draw a firm line between parochial knowledge of its niche and knowledge corresponding to the facts.

#2358​·​Erik OrrjeOP, 7 months ago

Veritula cautions against making multiple points at once so as to avoid ‘bulk criticism’. But people can write as much as they want in a single idea. For example, you can find several long-form articles in ‘How Does Veritula Work?’. It just depends on how confident people are in their ideas, and how much they have practiced using Veritula.

#2357​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 7 months ago​·​Criticism

I would also consider financially supporting someone who gave me good reason to think they had the vision, the motivation, and the technical skill to create it.

I’m interested. Let’s continue this discussion privately for now. Email me: dh at dennishackethal.com

#2356​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 7 months ago

Memes and genes are the same type of knowledge.

That doesn’t sound right to me. Can you elaborate?

#2355​·​Dennis Hackethal, 7 months ago​·​Criticism

No, I think the ‘Popperian Wikipedia’ idea is too different to Veritula for it to be a competitor. Veritula is primarily a discussion tool. I envision more of an encyclopedia of competing ideas presented independently of each other, with no (or very little) discussion functionality.

For example, on the topic of addiction, this site would contain different articles explaining different models of what addiction is, how it works, etc. Each article would explain the given model from within its own framework, rather than from some pre-approved framework and set of sources (as is currently the case at Wikipedia).

I realise “methods of criticism” in my reply above may have confused that somewhat.

I think my idea could be made within Veritula, if you would be interested. Different explanations could be cataloged in Wikipedia-style articles (with versioning), which could then be referred to and discussed in threads here. Maybe we should open a discussion for this potential feature?

At the end of the day, I think something like that should exist in the world, and I am indifferent to how it might come about. It wouldn’t bother me if I wasn’t involved. I would also consider financially supporting someone who gave me good reason to think they had the vision, the motivation, and the technical skill to create it.

#2353​·​Benjamin Davies revised 7 months ago​·​Original #2350

Yeah I could see some knowledge in genes corresponding to certain facts about reality, like knowledge about flight corresponding to facts about certain laws of physics.

#2347​·​Dennis Hackethal, 7 months ago

… "let ideas die in their place" …

Popper said we can let our theories die in our place.

Careful with quotation marks. Either match the source (and cite it) or properly indicate modifications – or don’t use quotation marks.

https://quote-checker.com/pages/rationale

#2344​·​Dennis Hackethal, 7 months ago​·​Criticism

Would you say there's correspondence for some knowledge in genes as well?

#2343​·​Erik OrrjeOP, 7 months ago

If America is an option (you mention Austin), the non-coastal Western US could work.

A lot of those states get good water from the Sierra Nevada or the Rocky Mountains.

Those states have either no or low state income tax and largely leave residents alone. (For example, the difference between CA and NV during Covid was night and day.)

Southern NV gets a lot of sun throughout the year. NV has no state income tax.

I’ve heard good things about the area surrounding Las Vegas, though I haven’t been myself.

New Mexico could be good for high altitude (I think).

#2342​·​Dennis Hackethal, 7 months ago

Switzerland near the Italian border might work.

#2341​·​Dirk Meulenbelt, 7 months ago

It sounds like the core disagreement is around Lucas’s idea that the concept of correspondence fragments the growth of knowledge: if correspondence is the aim of science but not of other fields, then that means the growth of knowledge works differently in science than in other fields.

#2339​·​Dennis Hackethal, 7 months ago

👍

#2338​·​Dirk Meulenbelt revised 7 months ago​·​Original #2336

:thumbsup:

#2337​·​Dirk Meulenbelt revised 7 months ago​·​Original #2336

:+1:

#2336​·​Dirk Meulenbelt, 7 months ago

#2325 serves as an example. I had submitted a criticism which is now outdated and remains counter-criticized. It’s actually better that way because it shows that an error has been corrected, and makes it less likely for others to submit a duplicate criticism.

#2335​·​Dennis Hackethal, 7 months ago

In your revision, you asked me to let you know if you are doing things incorrectly.

You can revise ideas the way you did, it’s not wrong per se, but revisions are better for incremental changes. They’re not really meant for taking back criticisms or indicating agreement. If a criticism of yours is successfully counter-criticized and you would like to abandon it, I would just leave it counter-criticized and not revise it further.

If you are looking for a way to indicate agreement (with a counter-criticism, say), it’s something Dirk and I have been discussing offline, see #2169. I hope to implement something to that effect soon.

#2334​·​Dennis Hackethal, 7 months ago

I’m happy to have you and for your contributions, but I have to ask: do you see yourself building a Veritula competitor at some point in the future?

#2333​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 7 months ago

Erik has since fixed this typo.

#2332​·​Dennis Hackethal, 7 months ago​·​Criticism

Most people (except in Alzheimer's, etc.) don't run out of memory in the brain. The reason most people don’t (permanently) run out memory (of either kind) isn’t that memory isn’t scarce, but that there’s a pruning mechanism in the mind. And there’s competition.

#2329​·​Erik Orrje revised 7 months ago​·​Original #2223

Thanks for clarifying

#2327​·​Erik Orrje revised 7 months ago​·​Original #2283

I think correspondence is to epistemology as adaptation is to evolution. Knowledge that corresponds more to reality tends to be more useful (and/or has more reach), similar to biological adaptation.

#2322​·​Benjamin Davies revised 7 months ago​·​Original #2321​·​Criticism Battle-tested

This may make it harder for me to discuss sensitive topics (e.g. navigating personal relationships, health issues, etc.) since it may reveal things to people who know me personally, things that I may wish to keep to myself, that I would only discuss online behind a pseudonym.

#2319​·​Benjamin DaviesOP, 7 months ago

Using my true name here causes me to take more care in what I write. I’m not hiding behind an identity I can discard.

#2318​·​Benjamin DaviesOP, 7 months ago