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PROBLEM: Why are we conscious of the apple rendering? Given (6), why is there an experience of it, if the programs comprising it are looping, and so are therefore predefined?

#4748​·​Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago​·​Criticized1

(7) We can be conscious of the apple imagery for the entire 5 seconds.

#4747​·​Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago

(6) Repeated running of the same fixed program is automatic, requires no creativity, and cannot constitute experience.

#4746​·​Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago

(5) Repeated running of the same fixed program, not being a person, does not make it a person.

#4745​·​Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago

(4) The programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

#4743​·​Tyler MillsOP revised 5 days ago​·​Original #4739

(4) By A1, the programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

#4741​·​Tyler MillsOP revised 5 days ago​·​Original #4739​·​Criticized1

Assumption A1: Only programs that are people while running constitute qualia/experience/subjectivity/consciousness.

#4740​·​Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago

(4) The programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

#4739​·​Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago​·​Criticized1

(3) The programs rendering the apple imagery must be looping until stopped, since they could not have advance knowledge of when the stimulus stops.

#4738​·​Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago

(2) The rendering is caused by the running of some number of programs.

#4737​·​Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago

(1) During the entire 5 seconds, your mind renders the image of the apple.

#4736​·​Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago

“What do people misunderstand most about crystal meth addiction?” https://www.quora.com/What-do-people-misunderstand-most-about-crystal-meth-addiction/answer/Notmy-Realname-133

Interesting read.

#4735​·​Dennis Hackethal, 5 days ago

A discussion can get long even if each criticism is concise.

#4734​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 6 days ago​·​Criticism

Someone who recently joined made a bunch of low-quality posts in a short amount of time.

#4733​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 6 days ago​·​Criticism

why?

#4732​·​Moritz Wallawitsch revised 6 days ago​·​Original #4731​·​CriticismCriticized1

why?

#4731​·​Moritz Wallawitsch, 6 days ago

Not if the criticism is clear and concise. That should be incentivized somehow.

#4730​·​Moritz Wallawitsch, 6 days ago​·​Criticized2

A discussion needs to be more skimmable via one or both of these:
1. hide long posts behind "read more" button
2. collapse critique chains/threads behind a "reply more" button

#4729​·​Moritz Wallawitsch, 6 days ago​·​Criticism

The UI needs to be more minimalistic. Too many buttons to click on. Needs clear primary action on every screen.

#4728​·​Moritz Wallawitsch, 6 days ago​·​Criticism

Need summaries at top of discussions. Could be AI generated.

#4727​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 6 days ago​·​Criticism
#4725​·​Dennis Hackethal revised 6 days ago​·​Original #4724

Criticized per #4718: AIs are not "narrowly creative"; there is only creativity in the binary, universal sense, per Deutsch.

#4723​·​Tyler MillsOP, 8 days ago​·​Criticism

The definition of fitness that rendered Move 37 the best choice originated outside the system.

#4722​·​Tyler MillsOP, 8 days ago

This highlights the core mystery of AGI/creativity: if it is the creation of something which cannot be deduced from existing rules (yet is still helpful, hard-to-vary, knowledge-bearing, etc.), how can it be programmed? In a sense it cannot, as Deutsch writes: "...what distinguishes human brains from all other physical systems is qualitatively different from all other functionalities, and cannot be specified in the way that all other attributes of computer programs can be. It cannot be programmed by any of the techniques that suffice for writing any other type of program." [https://aeon.co/essays/how-close-are-we-to-creating-artificial-intelligence]

#4721​·​Tyler MillsOP, 8 days ago