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Veritula and hard to vary are different in this regard. Deutsch claims that ‘hard to vary’ is epistemologically fundamental, that it’s at the core of rationality, and that all progress is made by choosing between explanations based on how hard to vary they are. In other words, he suggests (though only vaguely) a decision-making method.

Veritula has a different decision-making method: one of criticizing ideas and adopting only those with no pending criticisms. That decision-making method is fully specified, with zero vagueness or open questions (that I’m aware of).

Veritula does not pre-specify ahead of time what criticisms people can submit, this is true. But that’s not a problem. It’d be like asking Deutsch to specify ahead of time what explanations people can judge to be easy or hard to vary. That’s not the specification that’s lacking with hard to vary.

#3796·Dennis HackethalOP, about 12 hours ago·Criticism

During a space, starting at around 15:00, @dirk-meulenbelt suggested that Veritula suffers from underspecification: it does not specify which kinds of criticisms users can submit. But there are lots, like Occam’s razor, hard to vary, lack of testability, etc.

Since I criticize Deutsch’s ‘hard to vary’ criterion for being underspecified, Veritula shouldn’t be underspecified either.

(Correct me if I misunderstood you here, @dirk-meulenbelt.)

#3795·Dennis HackethalOP, about 12 hours ago·CriticismCriticized2

The ancient Greeks might have found the Persephone myth extremely hard to vary, eg due to cultural constraints. They wouldn’t have agreed that one could just swap out Persephone for someone else.

#3794·Dennis HackethalOP, about 13 hours ago·Criticism

But then the ease with which a criticism could be varied might have no effect on its parent. So why even bother having a notion of ‘easiness to vary’ at that point?

#3793·Dennis HackethalOP, about 17 hours ago·Criticism

What if we simply clamp the score at 0?

#3792·Dennis HackethalOP, about 17 hours ago·CriticismCriticized1

Even so, if a criticism gets score -10, that will push the parent theory’s score above 0.

#3791·Dennis HackethalOP, about 17 hours ago·Criticism

But calling a theory ‘good’ sounds like an endorsement. Deutsch also writes (BoI chapter 10) that a “superb” theory is “exceedingly hard to vary”. Ultimately we’d have to ask him, but for now I think it’s fair to conclude that he means ‘hard to vary’ as an endorsement.

#3790·Dennis HackethalOP, about 19 hours ago·CriticismCriticized1

@lola-trimble suggested during a space that a theory is hard to vary if it’s not easy to vary. So the maximum score would be 0, not +1,000 or whatever. In which case ‘hard to vary’ isn’t an endorsement.

#3789·Dennis HackethalOP, about 19 hours ago·CriticismCriticized2

Large overlap with idea #3783 – effectively a duplicate. You could revise that idea to include finding “a much better job that allows you the energy for research.”

#3788·Dennis Hackethal, about 23 hours ago·Criticism

This seems more like a specific implementation of #3782 than a standalone criticism.

#3787·Dennis Hackethal, about 23 hours ago·Criticism

Hmm could you give examples of such addictions between implicit and explicit short-term preferences?

#3786·Erik Orrje, 1 day ago

Have you fully used your cash to free time/energy after work?

You may have money for laundry services, cleaning, cooking, and so on. All the other things that take time in your day can be removed with money, giving you space to do research just fine

#3785·Zakery Mizell, 1 day ago·CriticismCriticized1

Leaving the job means more time for research. It also means more time to find a much better job that allows you the energy for research.

Leaving gives space for better balance.

#3784·Zakery Mizell, 1 day ago·CriticismCriticized1

How much time and energy do you really have for research while working? 1hr daily? 2 hours daily? 4 hours daily?

Leaving your job allows for the possibility of consistent high quality research daily.

#3783·Zakery Mizell, 1 day ago·Criticism

Consider your current balance of working and research.

Could you cut other activities, keep the job, and increase focus on research?

#3782·Zakery Mizell, 1 day ago·CriticismCriticized1

Deutsch’s stance in my own words:

The distinguishing characteristic between rationality and irrationality is that rationality is the search for good explanations. All progress comes from the search for good explanations. So the distinction between good vs bad explanations is epistemologically fundamental.

A good explanation is hard to vary “while still accounting for what it purports to account for.” (BoI chapter 1 glossary.) A bad explanation is easy to vary.

For example, the Persephone myth as an explanation of the seasons is easy to change without impacting its ability to explain the seasons. You could arbitrarily replace Persephone and other characters and the explanation would still ‘work’. The axis-tilt explanation of the earth, on the other hand, is hard to change without breaking it. You can’t just replace the axis with something else, say.

The quality of a theory is a matter of degrees. The harder it is to change a theory, the better that theory is. When deciding which explanation to adopt, we should “choose between [explanations] according to how good they are…: how hard to vary.” (BoI chapter 9; see similar remark in chapter 8.)

#3780·Dennis HackethalOP revised 1 day ago·Original #3703·Criticized14

Deutsch should instead name some examples the reader would find easier to disagree with, and then walk them through why some explanations are harder to vary than others.

#3778·Dennis HackethalOP revised 1 day ago·Original #3748

This is solved by actively doing some visible stuff you'd want to do anyway as an AGI researcher.

#3776·Dennis Hackethal revised 1 day ago·Original #3773·Criticism

This is solved by actively doing some visible stuff you'd want to do anyway as an AGI researcher.

#3775·Dirk Meulenbelt revised 1 day ago·Original #3773·Criticized1

You could spend some time in a cheap country.

#3774·Dirk Meulenbelt, 1 day ago·Criticized1

This is solved by actively doing some visible stuff you'd want to do anyway as an AGI researchers.

#3773·Dirk Meulenbelt, 1 day ago

I don’t know what kind of phone you use, but iPhone keyboards have support for multiple languages. You can switch between them. Should make false autocorrects rarer.

#3771·Dennis HackethalOP revised 2 days ago·Original #3770

I don’t know what kind of phone you use, but iPhone keyboards have support for multiple languages. You can switch between them. Should make false autocorrects rarer.

#3770·Dennis HackethalOP, 2 days ago·CriticismCriticized1

Humans use flight-related words even though we can’t fly. From ChatGPT:

  • Elevated (thinking, mood, language)
  • High-level (ideas, overview)
  • Soar (ambitions, prices, imagination)
  • Take off (projects, careers)
  • Grounded (arguments, people)
  • Up in the air (uncertain)
  • Overview (“over-see” from above)
  • Perspective (originally spatial vantage point)
  • Lofty (ideals, goals)
  • Aboveboard (open, visible)
  • Rise / fall (status, power, ideas)
  • Sky-high (expectations, costs)
  • Aerial view (conceptual overview)
  • Head in the clouds (impractical thinking)
#3769·Dennis HackethalOP, 2 days ago·Criticism

I think that depends on the "embodiment" of the AGI; that is, what it's like to be that AGI and how its normal world appears.

Yeah maybe but again (#3693), those are parochial factors, starting points. Ideas are more important. AGI could just switch bodies rapidly anyway.

#3768·Dennis HackethalOP, 2 days ago·Criticism