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It is under that definition. Not the kind of computer people traditionally think of when they hear the term, like a laptop or desktop, but it’s a computer nonetheless.
#496 · Tom Nassis, 3 months agoI'm still getting a feel for this platform. I'm wondering whether it would help promote wider and deeper engagement if Veritula was organized in terms of problems and their solutions. So instead of discussions, discussion trees, and broad topics such as 'Abortion', users would articulate problems and their solutions. Of course, the problem itself could be criticized as well as its proposed solutions. This approach might also make Veritula even more Popperian. All life is problem solving as Popper says.
Since this is an idea for improvement, you’d want to mark it as a criticism. Try out the revision feature. Mark it as a criticism and then deselect my comment underneath the form to indicate that the revision addresses my comment.
I'm still getting a feel for this platform. I'm wondering whether it would help promote wider and deeper engagement if Veritula was organized in terms of problems and their solutions. So instead of discussions, discussion trees, and broad topics such as 'Abortion', users would articulate problems and their solutions. Of course, the problem itself could be criticized as well as its proposed solutions. This approach might also make Veritula even more Popperian. All life is problem solving as Popper says.
#215 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months agoAnything that processes information is a computer.
The brain processes information.
Therefore, the brain is a computer.
A ribosome processes information. A ribosome is not a computer.
Limitations of Veritula
Veritula can help you discover a bit of truth.
It’s not guaranteed to do so. It doesn’t give you a formula for truth-seeking. There’s no guarantee that an idea with no outstanding criticisms won’t get a new criticism tomorrow. All ideas are tentative in nature. That’s not a limitation of Veritula per se but of epistemology generally (Karl Popper).
There are currently no safeguards against bad actors. For example, people can keep submitting arbitrary criticisms in rapid succession just to ‘save’ their pet ideas. There could be safeguards such as rate-limiting criticisms, but that encourages brigading, making sock-puppets, etc. That said, I think these problems are soluble.
Opposing viewpoints should be defined clearly and openly. Not doing so hinders truth-seeking and rationality (Ayn Rand).
Personal attacks poison rational discussions because they turn an open, objective, impartial truth-seeking process into a defensive mess. It shifts the topic of the discussion from the ideas themselves to the participants in a bad way. People are actually open to harsh criticism as long as their interlocutor shows concern for how it lands (Chris Voss). I may use ‘AI’ at some point to analyze the tone of an idea upon submission.
Veritula works best for conscientious people with an open mind – people who aren’t interested in defending their ideas but in correcting errors. That’s one of the reasons discussions shouldn’t get personal. Veritula can work to resolve conflicts between adversaries, but I think that’s much harder. Any situation where people argue to be right rather than to find truth is challenging. In those cases, it’s best if an independent third party uses Veritula on their behalf to adjudicate the conflict objectively.
*Veritula*## How Does Veritula Work?↵ ↵ *Veritula* (Latin for ‘a bit of truth’) provides an objective, partly automated way to tentatively determine whether a given idea is true or false.70 unchanged lines collapsed
#463 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months agoHeather, who’s publicly shared that she’s had an abortion, says people treat a zygote as a clump of cells only when they don’t want it. When they want it, then they consider it a baby. They can’t have it both ways.
@dirk-meulenbelt argues that couples consider their first date to be the start of their relationship when it really wasn’t because you can’t ‘break up’ after a first date.
In other words, people choose somewhat arbitrary designations which aren’t morally relevant by themselves.
#299 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months agoI’m pro abortion but I have some pro life in me.
Banning the abortion of a zygote seems ridiculous. So does aborting a seven-month-old fetus.
Why not go with: you can abort until the nervous system develops.
Clearly, an embryo without a nervous system can’t be sentient and thus can’t be a person, right? And as long as it’s not a person, it doesn’t have any rights.
According to https://www.neurosciencefoundation.org/post/brain-development-in-fetus, “an embryo’s brain and nervous system begin to develop at around the 6-week mark.” And: “At as early as 8 weeks (about 2 months), you can see physical evidence of the brain working (the electric impulses) as ultrasounds show the embryo moving.”
This idea is for viable pregnancies only. Other considerations may apply for non-viable ones.
Link to example mention
Mostly done, apart from some polishing, as of `5f5c545`. Eg @dennis-hackethal.
#452 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months agoNow that there are notifications, people should be able to @mention each other.
Mostly done, apart from some polishing, as of 5f5c545
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Link to discussion for clarity
See #449. Since this is a separate concern, not directly related to #337, you’d want to submit a top-level idea rather than comment on #337. The form for top-level ideas is currently at the bottom ofthis page.[this page](/discussions/167). I obviously need to make this clearer.
Now that there are notifications, people should be able to @mention each other.
The more ideas there are in a discussion, the further the form for top-level ideas is pushed down. Then people don’t know how to submit a new idea and comment on an existing one instead, even if it’s unrelated, as happened with #448. So I need to make this clearer.
#448 · Tom Nassis, 3 months agoHi all! This platform looks like such an awesome idea!
This discussion says, "Discuss Veritula itself. For feedback and suggestions."
I wanted to ask about how many members are here. And whether it's encouraged to invite more people, in order to add more and more conversations.
Tom Nassis asks (#448):
I wanted to ask about how many members are here.
Currently 7.
And whether it's encouraged to invite more people, in order to add more and more conversations.
Yes.
Hi all! This platform looks like such an awesome idea! This discussion says, "Discuss Veritula itself. For feedback and suggestions." I wanted to ask about how many members are here. And whether it's encouraged to invite more people, in order to add more and more conversations.
#337 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months agoWhen all I change during a revision is the criticism flag, the activity log just says ‘no changes’.
Hi all! This platform looks like an awesome idea!
This discussion says, "Discuss Veritula itself. For feedback and suggestions."
I wanted to ask about how many members are here. And whether it's encouraged to invite more people, in order to add more and more conversations.
As I write in the first link, the videos “mostly show bugs and nonsensical behavior, things that wouldn’t happen ifanimals *were* sentient.”↵ ↵ P.S. Dirk was hereanimals *were* sentient.”
Add example link to a version history with multiple contributors
24 unchanged lines collapsedComma-separated list to see all contributors at aglanceglance. Eg see [here](/ideas/429/revisions)
Add commit 06d3241
20 unchanged lines collapsedSo that each version is clearly attributed to the correspondinguser.user.↵ ↵ - `06d3241` List contributors at top of version history↵ ↵ Comma-separated list to see all contributors at a glance
Elaborate on each commit
The following commits should address this: - `3af3966` Clarify in title that someone revised an idea (rathen than originatedidea)↵ -idea)↵ ↵ The HTML title now says ‘Idea x *revised* by…’↵ ↵ - `6c70cea` Underneath idea, indicate that someone revised an idea (rather than submittedit)↵ -it)↵ ↵ It says ‘Dennis Hackethal, 1 day ago’ for new ideas, ‘Dennis Hackethal revised 1 day ago’ for revisions↵ ↵ - `d20d386` Explain that users can revise each others’ideas↵ -ideas↵ ↵ As part of the alert on the revision page, when the user is about to revise someone else’s idea.↵ ↵ - `c5748e3` Turn ‘revise’ link into ‘revise their idea’ when it’s someone else’sidea↵ -idea↵ ↵ Underneath each idea.↵ ↵ - `e0fbd41` List user under each revision in versionhistoryhistory↵ ↵ So that each version is clearly attributed to the corresponding user.
#437 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months agoDirk Meulenbelt says the concept of revising someone else’s idea is not intuitive.
The following commits should address this:
3af3966
Clarify in title that someone revised an idea (rathen than originated idea)6c70cea
Underneath idea, indicate that someone revised an idea (rather than submitted it)d20d386
Explain that users can revise each others’ ideasc5748e3
Turn ‘revise’ link into ‘revise their idea’ when it’s someone else’s ideae0fbd41
List user under each revision in version history
Add missing word
[Dirk Meulenbelt](/dirk-meulenbelt) says the concept of revising someone else’s idea is not intuitive.