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  Tom Nassis revised idea #496 and marked it as a criticism.
3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #467.

A ribosome processes information. A ribosome is not a computer.

#467 · Nick Willmott, 3 months ago

It is under that definition. Not the kind of computer people traditionally think of when they hear the term, like a laptop or desktop, but it’s a computer nonetheless.

3 months ago · ‘Is the Brain a Computer?’
  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #496.

I'm still getting a feel for this platform. I'm wondering whether it would help promote wider and deeper engagement if Veritula was organized in terms of problems and their solutions. So instead of discussions, discussion trees, and broad topics such as 'Abortion', users would articulate problems and their solutions. Of course, the problem itself could be criticized as well as its proposed solutions. This approach might also make Veritula even more Popperian. All life is problem solving as Popper says.

#496 · Tom Nassis, 3 months ago

Since this is an idea for improvement, you’d want to mark it as a criticism. Try out the revision feature. Mark it as a criticism and then deselect my comment underneath the form to indicate that the revision addresses my comment.

3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Tom Nassis submitted idea #496.

I'm still getting a feel for this platform. I'm wondering whether it would help promote wider and deeper engagement if Veritula was organized in terms of problems and their solutions. So instead of discussions, discussion trees, and broad topics such as 'Abortion', users would articulate problems and their solutions. Of course, the problem itself could be criticized as well as its proposed solutions. This approach might also make Veritula even more Popperian. All life is problem solving as Popper says.

3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Nick Willmott criticized idea #215.

Anything that processes information is a computer.

The brain processes information.

Therefore, the brain is a computer.

#215 · Dennis Hackethal, 5 months ago

A ribosome processes information. A ribosome is not a computer.

3 months ago · ‘Is the Brain a Computer?’
  Dennis Hackethal submitted idea #466.

Limitations of Veritula

Veritula can help you discover a bit of truth.

It’s not guaranteed to do so. It doesn’t give you a formula for truth-seeking. There’s no guarantee that an idea with no outstanding criticisms won’t get a new criticism tomorrow. All ideas are tentative in nature. That’s not a limitation of Veritula per se but of epistemology generally (Karl Popper).

There are currently no safeguards against bad actors. For example, people can keep submitting arbitrary criticisms in rapid succession just to ‘save’ their pet ideas. There could be safeguards such as rate-limiting criticisms, but that encourages brigading, making sock-puppets, etc. That said, I think these problems are soluble.

Opposing viewpoints should be defined clearly and openly. Not doing so hinders truth-seeking and rationality (Ayn Rand).

Personal attacks poison rational discussions because they turn an open, objective, impartial truth-seeking process into a defensive mess. It shifts the topic of the discussion from the ideas themselves to the participants in a bad way. People are actually open to harsh criticism as long as their interlocutor shows concern for how it lands (Chris Voss). I may use ‘AI’ at some point to analyze the tone of an idea upon submission.

Veritula works best for conscientious people with an open mind – people who aren’t interested in defending their ideas but in correcting errors. That’s one of the reasons discussions shouldn’t get personal. Veritula can work to resolve conflicts between adversaries, but I think that’s much harder. Any situation where people argue to be right rather than to find truth is challenging. In those cases, it’s best if an independent third party uses Veritula on their behalf to adjudicate the conflict objectively.

3 months ago · ‘How Does Veritula Work?’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #418.
*Veritula*## How Does Veritula Work?↵
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*Veritula* (Latin for ‘a bit of truth’) provides an objective, partly automated way to tentatively determine whether a given idea is true or false.
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3 months ago · ‘How Does Veritula Work?’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #463.

Heather, who’s publicly shared that she’s had an abortion, says people treat a zygote as a clump of cells only when they don’t want it. When they want it, then they consider it a baby. They can’t have it both ways.

#463 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

@dirk-meulenbelt argues that couples consider their first date to be the start of their relationship when it really wasn’t because you can’t ‘break up’ after a first date.

In other words, people choose somewhat arbitrary designations which aren’t morally relevant by themselves.

3 months ago · ‘Abortion’
  Dennis Hackethal criticized idea #299.

I’m pro abortion but I have some pro life in me.

Banning the abortion of a zygote seems ridiculous. So does aborting a seven-month-old fetus.

Why not go with: you can abort until the nervous system develops.

Clearly, an embryo without a nervous system can’t be sentient and thus can’t be a person, right? And as long as it’s not a person, it doesn’t have any rights.

According to https://www.neurosciencefoundation.org/post/brain-development-in-fetus, “an embryo’s brain and nervous system begin to develop at around the 6-week mark.” And: “At as early as 8 weeks (about 2 months), you can see physical evidence of the brain working (the electric impulses) as ultrasounds show the embryo moving.”

This idea is for viable pregnancies only. Other considerations may apply for non-viable ones.

#299 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago

Heather, who’s publicly shared that she’s had an abortion, says people treat a zygote as a clump of cells only when they don’t want it. When they want it, then they consider it a baby. They can’t have it both ways.

3 months ago · ‘Abortion’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #455.

Link to example mention

Mostly done, apart from some polishing, as of `5f5c545`. Eg @dennis-hackethal.
3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #452.

Now that there are notifications, people should be able to @mention each other.

#452 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

Mostly done, apart from some polishing, as of 5f5c545.

3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #450.

Link to discussion for clarity

See #449. Since this is a separate concern, not directly related to #337, you’d want to submit a top-level idea rather than comment on #337. The form for top-level ideas is currently at the bottom of this page.[this page](/discussions/167). I obviously need to make this clearer.
3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #451 and marked it as a criticism.
3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal submitted criticism #452.

Now that there are notifications, people should be able to @mention each other.

3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal submitted idea #451.

The more ideas there are in a discussion, the further the form for top-level ideas is pushed down. Then people don’t know how to submit a new idea and comment on an existing one instead, even if it’s unrelated, as happened with #448. So I need to make this clearer.

3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal commented on idea #448.

Hi all! This platform looks like such an awesome idea!
This discussion says, "Discuss Veritula itself. For feedback and suggestions."
I wanted to ask about how many members are here. And whether it's encouraged to invite more people, in order to add more and more conversations.

#448 · Tom Nassis, 3 months ago

See #449. Since this is a separate concern, not directly related to #337, you’d want to submit a top-level idea rather than comment on #337. The form for top-level ideas is currently at the bottom of this page. I obviously need to make this clearer.

3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal submitted idea #449.

Tom Nassis asks (#448):

I wanted to ask about how many members are here.

Currently 7.

And whether it's encouraged to invite more people, in order to add more and more conversations.

Yes.

3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Tom Nassis revised idea #447.
Hi all!  This platform looks like such an awesome idea!
This discussion says, "Discuss Veritula itself. For feedback and suggestions."
I wanted to ask about how many members are here.  And whether it's encouraged to invite more people, in order to add more and more conversations.
3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Tom Nassis commented on criticism #337.

When all I change during a revision is the criticism flag, the activity log just says ‘no changes’.

#337 · Dennis Hackethal, 4 months ago

Hi all! This platform looks like an awesome idea!
This discussion says, "Discuss Veritula itself. For feedback and suggestions."
I wanted to ask about how many members are here. And whether it's encouraged to invite more people, in order to add more and more conversations.

3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #429.
As I write in the first link, the videos “mostly show bugs and nonsensical behavior, things that wouldn’t happen if animals *were* sentient.”↵
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P.S. Dirk was hereanimals *were* sentient.”
3 months ago · ‘Animal Consciousness’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #442.

Add example link to a version history with multiple contributors

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Comma-separated list to see all contributors at a glanceglance. Eg see [here](/ideas/429/revisions)
3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #440.

Add commit 06d3241

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So that each version is clearly attributed to the corresponding user.user.↵ ↵ - `06d3241` List contributors at top of version history↵ ↵ Comma-separated list to see all contributors at a glance
3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #439.

Elaborate on each commit

The following commits should address this:

- `3af3966` Clarify in title that someone revised an idea (rathen than originated idea)↵
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    The HTML title now says ‘Idea x *revised* by…’↵
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- `6c70cea` Underneath idea, indicate that someone revised an idea (rather than submitted it)↵
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    It says ‘Dennis Hackethal, 1 day ago’ for new ideas, ‘Dennis Hackethal revised 1 day ago’ for revisions↵
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- `d20d386` Explain that users can revise each others’ ideas↵
-ideas↵
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    As part of the alert on the revision page, when the user is about to revise someone else’s idea.↵
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- `c5748e3` Turn ‘revise’ link into ‘revise their idea’ when it’s someone else’s idea↵
-idea↵
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    Underneath each idea.↵
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- `e0fbd41` List user under each revision in version historyhistory↵
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    So that each version is clearly attributed to the corresponding user.
3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal addressed criticism #437.

Dirk Meulenbelt says the concept of revising someone else’s idea is not intuitive.

#437 · Dennis Hackethal, 3 months ago

The following commits should address this:

  • 3af3966 Clarify in title that someone revised an idea (rathen than originated idea)
  • 6c70cea Underneath idea, indicate that someone revised an idea (rather than submitted it)
  • d20d386 Explain that users can revise each others’ ideas
  • c5748e3 Turn ‘revise’ link into ‘revise their idea’ when it’s someone else’s idea
  • e0fbd41 List user under each revision in version history
3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’
  Dennis Hackethal revised idea #436.

Add missing word

[Dirk Meulenbelt](/dirk-meulenbelt) says the concept of revising someone else’s idea is not intuitive.
3 months ago · ‘Veritula – Meta’