Alexandria · about 150 CE

Ptolemy Puts the Earth at the Center

The Earth-centered universe, as drawn for Andreas Cellarius’s star atlas in 1660
The Earth-centered universe, as drawn for Andreas Cellarius’s star atlas in 1660Andreas Cellarius, Harmonia Macrocosmica (Amsterdam, 1660)

Every day, the sky turns around us. The Sun, the Moon, and the stars rise and set as if the Earth stood still at the center of everything. The Greek astronomer and mathematician Claudius Ptolemy, working in Alexandria, writes the Almagest, which works out the motions of the Sun, the Moon, and the planets in more detail than anyone before.

His Earth sits motionless at the center. The Sun goes around it on a circle set a little off-center, and the Moon and the planets move on circles that ride on bigger circles. These smaller circles, called epicycles, explain a puzzling sight: every so often, a planet seems to stop, drift backward among the stars for weeks, and then move on. With them, Ptolemy can predict where each planet will be for years ahead. And to anyone who would set the Earth spinning, he points to the clouds and the birds.

Ptolemy’s system: the Earth at the center, the Sun circling it, and each planet riding on a small circle whose center circles the Earth, so that now and then the planet loops backward Earth Sun Mercury Venus Mars Jupiter Saturn Simplified, not to scale
Drag the slider to move through four years. Each planet rides on its epicycle, whose center circles the Earth. On the near side of its epicycle, a planet goes backward for a while, making a loop; the faint lines show where each planet has been. In Ptolemy’s system, unlike here, each planet keeps to its own band of distances, and the larger circles are off-center.

Idea by Claudius Ptolemy​·​#5792

The Earth stands still at the center of the universe. The Moon, the Sun, and the planets circle it.

Criticism of #5792 by Claudius Ptolemy​·​#5793

Every so often, a planet seems to stop, drift backward among the stars for weeks, and then move on. A planet that simply circled the Earth would never do that.

Counter-criticism of #5793 by Claudius Ptolemy​·​#5794

Each planet rides on a small circle, an epicycle, whose center travels along a larger one around the Earth. On the near side of its epicycle, the planet moves against the larger circle’s motion, so it seems to drift backward.

Criticism of #5789 by Claudius Ptolemy​·​#5795

If the Earth spun once a day from west to east, it would outrun everything not standing on it. Clouds, birds, and anything thrown would always seem to drift westward, and we would never see them move east.

Counter-criticism of #5795 by Claudius Ptolemy​·​#5796

The air might turn with the Earth and carry the clouds and the birds along, so they wouldn’t be left behind.

Counter-criticism of #5796 by Claudius Ptolemy​·​#5797

If the air carried them along, they would never seem to move at all. But we see them move in every direction.

The state of the discussion

At this point, Aristarchus’s Sun-centered system has one pending criticism, so it isn’t rationally adoptable anymore. Ptolemy’s Earth-centered system has none, so it’s rationally adoptable.

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Source: Ptolemy, Almagest (Alexandria, about 150 CE), book I, chapters 5–7

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Why Don’t We Feel the Earth Move?

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The ground feels still, and anyone can see the Sun circle us. Overturning that took two thousand years. It revealed that we ride a planet that spins, circles the Sun, and sweeps around the Milky Way at 230 kilometers a second.


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Aristarchus of SamosHistorical profile​·​#5789​·​about 270 BCE​·​AI-assisted

The Sun and the stars stand still. The Earth circles the Sun, which lies in the middle of its orbit, and spins as it goes.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5795​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

If the Earth spun once a day from west to east, it would outrun everything not standing on it. Clouds, birds, and anything thrown would always seem to drift westward, and we would never see them move east.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5796​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

The air might turn with the Earth and carry the clouds and the birds along, so they wouldn’t be left behind.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5797​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

If the air carried them along, they would never seem to move at all. But we see them move in every direction.

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Aristarchus of SamosHistorical profile​·​#5790​·​about 270 BCE​·​AI-assisted

If the Earth circled the Sun, we would see the stars from different places over the year, so they would seem to shift back and forth. They don’t.

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Aristarchus of SamosHistorical profile​·​#5791​·​about 270 BCE​·​AI-assisted

The stars are so far away that, next to their distance, the Earth’s orbit is like a point. Their shift is far too small to see.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5792​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

The Earth stands still at the center of the universe. The Moon, the Sun, and the planets circle it.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5793​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

Every so often, a planet seems to stop, drift backward among the stars for weeks, and then move on. A planet that simply circled the Earth would never do that.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5794​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

Each planet rides on a small circle, an epicycle, whose center travels along a larger one around the Earth. On the near side of its epicycle, the planet moves against the larger circle’s motion, so it seems to drift backward.

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