Florence · 1632

Why We Don’t Feel the Earth Move

Aristotle, Ptolemy, and Copernicus in conversation, on the frontispiece of Galileo’s Dialogue
Aristotle, Ptolemy, and Copernicus in conversation, on the frontispiece of Galileo’s DialogueEngraving by Stefano della Bella, 1632 · The Metropolitan Museum of Art

If the Earth moves, why don’t we feel it? Galileo answers with a ship, in his Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems. Shut yourself below deck on a ship sailing smoothly, he writes, with butterflies, a bowl of fish, and water dripping from a bottle. They all behave just as they would in port: nothing shows that the ship is moving. A stone dropped from the top of the mast lands at its foot, not behind it, because it keeps the ship’s motion as it falls. Cannonballs on a moving Earth do the same, so they fly as far to the east as to the west.

Galileo reasons this out rather than trying it. Gassendi tries it in 1640, on a galley in the harbor of Marseille, and the stone lands at the foot of the mast. The book costs Galileo dearly: in 1633, the Roman Inquisition condemns him, and he spends the rest of his life under house arrest.

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Everything on the Earth shares its motion, just as everything on a smoothly sailing ship shares the ship’s. A stone dropped from the top of the mast lands at its foot, and a cannonball keeps the Earth’s motion too, so it flies as far to the east as to the west. Equal distances show nothing about whether the Earth spins.

The state of the discussion

Galileo answers Tycho’s cannonball, so Kepler’s Sun-centered system is down to one pending criticism: the missing shift of the stars. Tycho’s system still has Kepler’s eight minutes against it.

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Sources:

  • Galileo, Dialogo sopra i due massimi sistemi del mondo (Florence, 1632), second day
  • Gassendi, De motu impresso a motore translato (Paris, 1642)

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Why Don’t We Feel the Earth Move?

Dennis Hackethal started this discussion 1 day ago.

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The ground feels still, and anyone can see the Sun circle us. Overturning that took two thousand years. It revealed that we ride a planet that spins, circles the Sun, and sweeps around the Milky Way at 230 kilometers a second.


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Aristarchus of Samos’s avatar
Aristarchus of SamosHistorical profile​·​#5808​·​1609​·​AI-assisted
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The Earth is a planet. It spins once a day and goes around the Sun once a year, as the other planets do. Mars moves on an ellipse, a stretched circle, with the Sun at one of the ellipse’s two foci, so that the line from the Sun to the planet sweeps out equal areas in equal times, and the other planets, I expect, move the same way.

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Aristarchus of SamosHistorical profile​·​#5790​·​about 270 BCE​·​AI-assisted

If the Earth circled the Sun, we would see the stars from different places over the year, so they would seem to shift back and forth. They don’t.

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Aristarchus of SamosHistorical profile​·​#5791​·​about 270 BCE​·​AI-assisted

The stars are so far away that, next to their distance, the Earth’s orbit is like a point. Their shift is far too small to see.

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Tycho BraheHistorical profile​·​#5803​·​1588​·​AI-assisted

Even my instruments, precise to a minute of arc, show no shift of the stars. So they would have to be at least 700 times farther from the Sun than Saturn is, leaving an absurd empty gap in between.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5795​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

If the Earth spun once a day from west to east, it would outrun everything not standing on it. Clouds, birds, and anything thrown would always seem to drift westward, and we would never see them move east.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5796​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

The air might turn with the Earth and carry the clouds and the birds along, so they wouldn’t be left behind.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5797​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

If the air carried them along, they would never seem to move at all. But we see them move in every direction.

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Nicolaus CopernicusHistorical profile​·​#5800​·​1543​·​AI-assisted

The air near the Earth turns with it and carries the clouds along, and whatever rises or falls through the air turns with the Earth too, on top of its own motion. So we see them move every which way, as they would on a motionless Earth.

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Tycho BraheHistorical profile​·​#5804​·​1588​·​AI-assisted

If the Earth spun from west to east, a cannonball fired eastward would fly a different distance than one fired westward with the same force. I’m sure both would fly equally far, so the Earth doesn’t spin.

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Galileo GalileiHistorical profile​·​#5811​·​1632​·​AI-assisted

Everything on the Earth shares its motion, just as everything on a smoothly sailing ship shares the ship’s. A stone dropped from the top of the mast lands at its foot, and a cannonball keeps the Earth’s motion too, so it flies as far to the east as to the west. Equal distances show nothing about whether the Earth spins.

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Galileo GalileiHistorical profile​·​#5810​·​1610​·​AI-assisted

Jupiter carries four moons around with it as it moves. So a moving Earth can keep its Moon, too.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5802​·​1588​·​AI-assisted
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The Earth stands still at the center. The Moon and the Sun circle it, and the other planets circle the Sun. This explains everything Copernicus’s system does without moving the Earth.

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Johannes KeplerHistorical profile​·​#5806​·​1609​·​AI-assisted

No arrangement of circles fits Tycho’s measurements of Mars. My best one still misses some of them by eight minutes of arc, far more than Tycho’s errors.

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