Florence · 1610

Venus Shows Phases Like the Moon

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Galileo GalileiPainting by Justus Sustermans, 1636

A new instrument settles an old question. The Italian astronomer and physicist Galileo Galilei turns a telescope to the sky. In January, in Padua, Italy, he finds four moons circling Jupiter: the Earth isn’t the only center that things go around.

Then, watching Venus through the fall, he sees it change shape like the Moon. At first it’s small and nearly round, then it grows larger and half-lit, and he expects it to become a large, thin crescent, which it soon does. On December 11 he hides the discovery in a Latin anagram, to claim it without yet giving it away. Unscrambled, it reads: “The mother of loves imitates the shapes of Cynthia,” that is, Venus imitates the Moon.

In Ptolemy’s arrangement, Venus always stays between the Earth and the Sun, so we could only ever see it as a crescent. Tycho’s system passes the test, though: there, as in Copernicus’s, Venus circles the Sun.

Venus on an epicycle between the Earth and the Sun, showing only crescents, beside Venus circling the Sun, showing every phase from nearly full to a large crescent Ptolemy’s system Copernicus’s and Tycho’s systems Sun Sun Earth Earth Venus Venus Venus seen from Earth Venus seen from Earth
Drag the slider to move through time. On the left, Venus rides an epicycle whose empty center, like the Sun, circles the Earth along the dashed arcs; the drawing keeps the Sun above the Earth, so both seem to stay put. On the right, Venus circles the Sun. Below, how Venus looks from the Earth: only the right shows the phases Galileo saw.

Criticism of #5792 by Galileo Galilei​·​#5809

Venus shows phases like the Moon’s, from nearly full to a thin crescent, and looks largest when it’s a crescent. In Ptolemy’s system, Venus always stays between the Earth and the Sun, so it could only ever show us a crescent.

Comment on #5808 by Galileo Galilei​·​#5810

Jupiter carries four moons around with it as it moves. So a moving Earth can keep its Moon, too.

The state of the discussion

Galileo’s phases tell against Ptolemy’s Earth-centered system, which Tycho’s replaced. Tycho’s system passes the test, but still has Kepler’s eight minutes against it, and Kepler’s Sun-centered system still has two. No system of the world is rationally adoptable.

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Sources:

  • Galileo, Sidereus nuncius (Venice, 1610)
  • Galileo to Giuliano de’ Medici, December 11, 1610, and January 1, 1611
  • Galileo, Istoria e dimostrazioni intorno alle macchie solari (Rome, 1613)

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Why Don’t We Feel the Earth Move?

Dennis Hackethal started this discussion 1 day ago.

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The ground feels still, and anyone can see the Sun circle us. Overturning that took two thousand years. It revealed that we ride a planet that spins, circles the Sun, and sweeps around the Milky Way at 230 kilometers a second.


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Aristarchus of SamosHistorical profile​·​#5808​·​1609​·​AI-assisted
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The Earth is a planet. It spins once a day and goes around the Sun once a year, as the other planets do. Mars moves on an ellipse, a stretched circle, with the Sun at one of the ellipse’s two foci, so that the line from the Sun to the planet sweeps out equal areas in equal times, and the other planets, I expect, move the same way.

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Aristarchus of SamosHistorical profile​·​#5790​·​about 270 BCE​·​AI-assisted

If the Earth circled the Sun, we would see the stars from different places over the year, so they would seem to shift back and forth. They don’t.

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Aristarchus of SamosHistorical profile​·​#5791​·​about 270 BCE​·​AI-assisted

The stars are so far away that, next to their distance, the Earth’s orbit is like a point. Their shift is far too small to see.

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Tycho BraheHistorical profile​·​#5803​·​1588​·​AI-assisted

Even my instruments, precise to a minute of arc, show no shift of the stars. So they would have to be at least 700 times farther from the Sun than Saturn is, leaving an absurd empty gap in between.

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Tycho BraheHistorical profile​·​#5804​·​1588​·​AI-assisted

If the Earth spun from west to east, a cannonball fired eastward would fly a different distance than one fired westward with the same force. I’m sure both would fly equally far, so the Earth doesn’t spin.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5795​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

If the Earth spun once a day from west to east, it would outrun everything not standing on it. Clouds, birds, and anything thrown would always seem to drift westward, and we would never see them move east.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5796​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

The air might turn with the Earth and carry the clouds and the birds along, so they wouldn’t be left behind.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5797​·​about 150 CE​·​AI-assisted

If the air carried them along, they would never seem to move at all. But we see them move in every direction.

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Nicolaus CopernicusHistorical profile​·​#5800​·​1543​·​AI-assisted

The air near the Earth turns with it and carries the clouds along, and whatever rises or falls through the air turns with the Earth too, on top of its own motion. So we see them move every which way, as they would on a motionless Earth.

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Galileo GalileiHistorical profile​·​#5810​·​1610​·​AI-assisted

Jupiter carries four moons around with it as it moves. So a moving Earth can keep its Moon, too.

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Claudius PtolemyHistorical profile​·​#5802​·​1588​·​AI-assisted
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The Earth stands still at the center. The Moon and the Sun circle it, and the other planets circle the Sun. This explains everything Copernicus’s system does without moving the Earth.

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Johannes KeplerHistorical profile​·​#5806​·​1609​·​AI-assisted

No arrangement of circles fits Tycho’s measurements of Mars. My best one still misses some of them by eight minutes of arc, far more than Tycho’s errors.

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