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Erik Orrje, 13 days ago·#2031

How do you think of "problems" for genes?

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Dirk Meulenbelt, 10 days ago·#2149

I don't think a gene has problems. It does not have ideas.

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Dennis Hackethal, 10 days ago·#2151

A gene doesn’t have problems in any conscious sense, but it always faces the problem of how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals.

Maybe that answers your question, Erik.

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Dirk Meulenbelt, 10 days ago·#2152

How could we integrate that vision with Popper's definition (paraphrased): a tension, inconsistency, or unmet explanatory demand that arises when a theory clashes with observations, background assumptions, or rival theories, thereby calling for conjectural solutions and critical tests.

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Dennis Hackethal, 10 days ago·#2153

The rival theories and clashes sound like competition between genes – or more precisely, between the theories those genes embody.

Basically, genes contain guesses (in a non-subjective sense) for how to spread through the population at the expense of their rivals. Those guesses are met with selection pressure and competition.

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Dirk Meulenbelt, 10 days ago·#2154

Dirk approves of your comment.

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Erik Orrje, 9 days ago·#2190

Yeah, thanks! Are ideas also guesses of how to survive in the mind and across substrates, or is there more to ideas?

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Dennis Hackethal, 9 days ago·#2200

In the neo-Darwinian view, any replicator’s primary ‘concern’ is how to spread through the population at the expense of its rivals. This view is what Dawkins (IIRC) calls the gene’s eye view, and it applies to ideas as much as it does to genes. Any adaptation of any replicator is primarily in service of this concern.

So I think the answer to your question, “Are ideas also guesses of how to survive in the mind and across substrates …?”, is ‘yes’.

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Erik Orrje revised 3 days ago·#2329

Most people (except in Alzheimer's, etc.) don't run out of memory in the brain. The reason most people don’t (permanently) run out memory (of either kind) isn’t that memory isn’t scarce, but that there’s a pruning mechanism in the mind. And there’s competition.

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Dennis Hackethal, 8 days ago·#2230

Since you’re a doctor, Erik, let me ask: is there a possibility Alzheimer’s could be explained in terms of bad software? Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like the prevailing view is limited to bad hardware.

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Erik Orrje revised 5 days ago·#2272

Hmm never thought of that, interesting! I think since the disease involves continuous loss of brain volume, hardware decay seems like the best explanation.

In general I think it makes sense to speak of diseases in neurology (e.g. Alzheimer's, Parkinsons, stroke) as bad hardware and psychiatric disease as bad software. But it could very well be that some of those diagnoses are miscategorised.

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Dirk Meulenbelt, 8 days ago·#2241

Not a doctor. But it's not hard for me to imagine untainted memory but a script with an error such that it can't manage to look up the information.

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Erik Orrje revised 5 days ago·#2270

Yeah that's definitely a possible medical condition, e.g. in psychosis or after having ECT. Don't think it's the best explanation for Alzheimer's though, where the loss of brain volume is so apparent.

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Dennis Hackethal, 2 days ago·#2334

In your revision, you asked me to let you know if you are doing things incorrectly.

You can revise ideas the way you did, it’s not wrong per se, but revisions are better for incremental changes. They’re not really meant for taking back criticisms or indicating agreement. If a criticism of yours is successfully counter-criticized and you would like to abandon it, I would just leave it counter-criticized and not revise it further.

If you are looking for a way to indicate agreement (with a counter-criticism, say), it’s something Dirk and I have been discussing offline, see #2169. I hope to implement something to that effect soon.

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Dennis Hackethal, 2 days ago·#2335

#2325 serves as an example. I had submitted a criticism which is now outdated and remains counter-criticized. It’s actually better that way because it shows that an error has been corrected, and makes it less likely for others to submit a duplicate criticism.