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Whatever new "explanations" it creates are derivable from (and by?) the knowledge in the training data. It isn't evolution if all of the variations and selection criteria are stored ahead of time. That's just a search process, as in the case of Move 37 per AlphaGo.

#4799​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​Criticism

The definition of fitness for DNA also originated outside it, so this doesn't in itself suggest the system isn't actually creating new knowledge.

#4798​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​Criticism

only people can create explanatory knowledge

How is an LLM not creating new explanatory knowledge (even if worse than the existing, by any measure), by varying some existing written explanation? It could even vary and select by some criterion of its "choice", thus realizing Popperian epistemology.

#4797​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

A person could create the same knowledge that biological evolution does, if only by simulating it. But it could still be true that only people can create explanatory knowledge. (That they can create all possible explanatory knowledge is Deutsch's criterion for personhood.)

#4796​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago

"No unconscious creativity" seems the simpler option. But here we arrive again at biological evolution, which is unconscious, yet is creating knowledge. Does this serve as a distinction between explanatory knowledge and non? Explanatory knowledge can only be created by a conscious process?

#4795​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago

Either there is no unconscious creativity, or only evolutionary/creative epochs with certain properties are conscious. The most obvious candidate for the property is complexity (in the sense of sophistication): only programs (existing knowledge) of a certain sophistication, once subjected to the evolutionary process, necessitates consciousness. Complex problem solving seems to require consciousness. Meanwhile, we do not seem to be conscious of "simpler" creative tasks, like... Like what? What is a "simple" creative task? What is an example of a creative task we perform unconsciously? How could we determine it was an act of creation (new knowledge), and not an act of deductive inference of the kind characterizing AI?

#4794​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago

This suggests that all experience is determined by what programs are being subjected to evolution at any given time, the niches that are being adapted to. But why is not all creativity in the mind conscious? (All consciousness might necessarily be creativity).

#4793​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago

But if the evolution is the defining feature of personhood, and the evolution is non-computational, then the personhood is non-computational. And consciousness would then not be a software property.

#4792​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​Criticism

It could be simulated, but maybe it's very hard/intractable to do so. Maybe personhood harnesses physics to do the evolving, like a windmill harnesses the wind. Programs implemented such that the laws of physics cause them to evolve (unboundedly)?

#4791​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​Criticized1

Programs could be evolved non-computationally. But that process could itself still be simulated, per the Church-Turing-Deutsch Thesis.

#4790​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago

By the Church-Turing Thesis, all computation can be specified/programmed. So the evolutionary aspect of a person can be specified/programmed, if it is computational.

#4789​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​Criticism

The system may not have perfect knowledge of all programs present in it. The repeated independent emergence of winged flight in the biosphere comes to mind.

#4788​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​Criticism

Because programs present in the system at one time could be no longer present at another time. Previously well-adapted programs could have decayed, been destroyed or consumed. So the same evolutionary path (approximately or not) could be travelled again, in principle.

#4787​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​Criticism

But why would the system ever re-evolve to the satisfaction of a niche already satisfied previously? If the programs evolved by the evolutionary aspect of the person already exist, there is no more need for evolution of them.

#4786​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized2

Actually this is not implied. One experience and an identical later one could be caused by the same program(s) being run again at a later time; if the program which is identical to the given experience is part of an "evolutionary personhood program", that still qualifies: If the second experience is identical, under the above solution that just means that the exact same evolutionary steps are taken in the second case. Maybe this would virtually never happen, but poses no problem of principle.

#4785​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​Criticism

Understanding explanatory knowledge seems like a better criterion

#4783​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø revised about 2 months ago​·​Original #4782​·​Criticism

Does not understand explanatory knowledge seems like a better criterion

#4782​·​Knut Sondre Sæbø, about 2 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

A random number generator does not create explanatory knowledge.

#4781​·​Dirk Meulenbelt, about 2 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized3

SOLUTION: The apple programs give rise to consciousness only in a given context. Only when run a certain way (by a person).

#4779​·​Tyler MillsOP revised about 2 months ago​·​Original #4749​·​Criticized1

By the latter standard, neither nature nor random number generators are people, which is sensible; nor can nature create any given possible knowledge tractably -- this is true because the fact that all possible knowledge exists is only by way of the multiverse, which is a process that cannot be simulated in its entirety, even by a quantum computer.

#4777​·​Tyler MillsOP revised about 2 months ago​·​Original #4695

This wrongly implies speed is a property of programs, but it's a property of hardware.

#4776​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

This is a bad criterion because then random program generators are sometimes people.

#4775​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​Criticism

An alternative criterion for personhood is speed: a person is a program that can synthesize any explanation in less than the lifetime of the universe, say.

#4774​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 2 months ago​·​CriticismCriticized1

The other day, I heard an American say ‘must not’ in the sense you mean. So this seems to be more common than I realized.

He didn’t use the contraction, and I suspect Americans would find the contraction unnatural. But they do apparently agree that ‘must not’ does not only mean ‘is forbidden to’ but also ‘necessarily cannot’. So I was definitely wrong about this.

#4773​·​Dennis HackethalOP, about 2 months ago

Some people think if they’re hungry that means they’re losing fat. I think that’s wrong.

You can eat a single meal at Cheesecake Factory for 2500kcals and be hungry again an hour later.

Or you can eat low-calorie foods throughout the day and not get very hungry until it’s actually time to eat again.

Some people might have trouble reaching their maintenance calories if they ate nothing but chicken breast, boiled potatoes, and broccoli for a day. They’d feel very full throughout the day.

I don’t expect much correlation, if any, between how satiating and how calorically dense some food is.

The good news for people who enjoy volume eating is that you can eat a lot while losing fat as long as you do it right. That means foods high in fiber and/or water (again, potatoes) and lean proteins. Vegetables generally work well.

The most important thing for fat loss is a calorie deficit, not hunger. Hunger is not a reliable indicator that you’re losing fat. You could be losing fat without being hungry, or you could be gaining weight while being hungry often.

Don’t go off of feelings. Count calories, macronutrients, and fiber, and weigh yourself to track progress.

#4771​·​Dennis Hackethal revised about 2 months ago​·​Original #4770