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#3628·Dennis HackethalOP, 4 days ago·Criticism

Living according to reason and rationality alone is impossible, because propositional knowledge is only a subset of needed knowledge for an embodied agent (the others being procedural, participatory- and perspectival knowledge)

#3626·Knut Sondre Sæbø revised 4 days ago·Original #3603·CriticismCriticized2

The act of making different types of idea jibe ((propositional ideas, feelings etc. ), doesn’t seem to me to be best explained as a rational process. They don’t have a shared metric or intertranslatability that would enable comparison. If feelings and other nonrational mental contents cannot be reduced to explicit reasons, then the process of integrating them cannot itself be arrived at through reasoning alone. This doesn’t mean reason cannot critique feelings or other nonrational content, only that the integrative process itself operates differently than rational deliberation.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

#3625·Knut Sondre Sæbø, 4 days ago·CriticismCriticized4

This is also borrowed from cognitive science. But what's I meant was to point to the fact there is "pre-conceptual" models, desires, attential salience etc. that impinge on and filters input to concious cognition. An example is how brain regions originally used for moving the body through 3D space are repurposed cognitively to "move around" in idea-space. Some anecdotal evidence for this: notice how many movement metaphors structure propositional thinking. We say we're close to the truth, we under-stand, we grasp a concept, we arrive at a conclusion.

#3623·Knut Sondre Sæbø revised 4 days ago·Original #3621·CriticismCriticized5

Even if knowledge is unified at some fundamental level, we might not be able to live by means of this unified knowledge alone (because of how we function or pure complexity). Living life might require operating through other «kinds» of knowledge which are pre- cognitive. You cannot ride a bike or maintain a relationship by thinking through quantum mechanical or propositional theories to word.

#3622·Knut Sondre Sæbø, 4 days ago·CriticismCriticized1

This is also borrowed from cognitive science. But what's meant by embodied is only that there is "pre-conceptual" models, desires, attential salience etc. that's processed and taken up into concious cognition. An example is how brain regions originally used for moving the body through 3D space are repurposed cognitively to "move around" in idea-space. Some anecdotal evidence for this: notice how many movement metaphors structure propositional thinking. We say we're close to the truth, we under-stand, we grasp a concept, we arrive at a conclusion.

#3621·Knut Sondre Sæbø, 5 days ago·CriticismCriticized1

Okay. When your revision addresses a criticism, remember to uncheck each version of the criticism underneath the revision form. Try revising the idea again and uncheck the criticisms you’ve addressed. Otherwise, your ideas look more problematic than they are.

#3620·Dennis HackethalOP, 5 days ago

Fixed it. I meant to write perspectival knowledge, whcih is a term used in cognitive science.

#3619·Knut Sondre Sæbø, 5 days ago

Living according to reason and rationality alone is impossible, because propositional knowledge is only a subset of needed knowledge for an embodied agent (the others being procedural, participatory- and perspectival knowledge)

#3617·Knut Sondre Sæbø revised 5 days ago·Original #3603·CriticismCriticized4

Empirically, roles with "a closer relationship with physics, math and design" overwhelmingly seem to be reserved for PhD-holders. So mediocrity may not be to blame for the as-yet inability to land engaging roles. However, both could be factors.

Cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_overproduction

#3616·Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago

The failure to have found roles which have a closer relationship with physics, math and design may stem from an underlying mediocrity as an optical engineer; this itself could stem from the underlying (or widespread) disinterest in it within your mind.

#3615·Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago

The cost of living for several months is not large relative to the amount of money in savings. The opportunity cost and financial strategy points are valid, but pale in comparison to the moral cost of not pursuing what one is passionate about and good at -- especially when there is arguably some potential for value, given the state of the world regarding AI/AGI. Being an employee in an uninteresting field for years or decades is a catastrophic loss, and all too common.

#3614·Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago·Criticism

A hiatus would incur a relatively heavy cost: the cost of living + the opportunity cost of lost salary. Earning money as quickly as possible, as early as possible, is important for long-term financial success.

#3613·Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago·Criticized1

The resume gap can be absolved by simply listing "independent research" for the period in question. Forming an LLC would also help to formalize the venture (in addition to having other uses).

#3612·Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago·Criticism

A hiatus would create a "resume gap," weakening hireability in the field. This is to be avoided, but only assuming working in the field is itself desirable, which may not be the case, here, unless better opportunities arise (roles allowing more contact with physics, math and design -- i.e. "engineering"!).

#3611·Tyler MillsOP, 5 days ago·Criticized2

perspectively knowledge

I’m not sure that’s what you meant to write. Adverbs don’t go in front of nouns. Maybe something about perception?

#3609·Dennis HackethalOP revised 5 days ago·Original #3604·Criticism

It sounds like you have a different conception of knowledge and rationality from Popper’s/Deutsch’s.

There’s a unity of knowledge. Knowledge isn’t fragmented the way you suggest. Rationality means finding common preferences among ideas, ie making different types of ideas jibe. Why should that not be possible for the types of knowledge you mention?

#3607·Dennis HackethalOP revised 5 days ago·Original #3606·Criticism Battle tested

It sounds like you have a different conception of knowledge and rationality from Popper’s/Deutsch’s.

Rationality means finding common preferences among ideas. Why should that not be possible for the types of knowledge you mention?

#3606·Dennis HackethalOP, 6 days ago·CriticismCriticized1

Calling people “embodied agent[s]” like they’re barely superior to video-game characters is dehumanizing and weird.

#3605·Dennis HackethalOP, 6 days ago·Criticism

perspectively knowledge

I’m not sure that’s what you meant to write. Adverbs don’t go in front of nouns.

#3604·Dennis HackethalOP, 6 days ago·CriticismCriticized1

Living according to reason and rationality alone is impossible, because propositional knowledge is only a subset of needed knowledge for an embodied agent (the others being procedural, participatory- and perspectively knowledge)

#3603·Knut Sondre Sæbø, 6 days ago·CriticismCriticized4

I think your challenge asks for the wrong kind of thing. Deutsch’s “hard to vary” is a guideline for criticizing explanations, not a step by step decision algorithm. In this paper he says scientific methodology does not prescribe exact procedures, and that “better” explanations are not always totally rankable in a clean, mechanical way. “Hard to vary” mainly means avoiding explanations that can be tweaked to fit anything, because then they explain nothing, so the lack of a universal scoring program does not refute the idea.

THE LOGIC OF EXPERIMENTAL TESTS, PARTICULARLY OF EVERETTIAN QUANTUM THEORY

https://www.constructortheory.org/portfolio/logic-experimental-tests/

From the paper (p. 3):

An explanation is better the more it is constrained by the explicanda and by other good explanations,5 but we shall not need precise criteria here; we shall only need the following: that an explanation is bad (or worse than a rival or variant explanation) to the extent that…

(i) it seems not to account for its explicanda; or
(ii) it seems to conflict with explanations that are otherwise good; or
(iii) it could easily be adapted to account for anything (so it explains nothing).

#3601·Dennis HackethalOP revised 6 days ago·Original #3530·CriticismCriticized2

The quote uses bullet points where the original source uses none.

#3600·Dennis HackethalOP, 6 days ago·Criticism

The quote should be formatted as a quote.

#3599·Dennis HackethalOP, 6 days ago·Criticism

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#3597·Dennis HackethalOP revised 6 days ago·Original #3517