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This suggests that programs can be “run differently” to result in a different computation. This is false because it violates Substrate Independence: the instantiation of a program is unaffected by its physical implementation. If a “context” changes what the program is computing, then that’s a different program. Suggesting that a person running the apple programs “makes them” conscious therefore is not sound. The programs are either conscious or not. If they were, by (A1), they would be people.

#4750​·​Tyler MillsOP, 28 days ago​·​Criticism

SOLUTION: The apple programs give rise to consciousness only in a given context. Only when run a certain why, by a person.

#4749​·​Tyler MillsOP, 28 days ago​·​Criticized2

PROBLEM: Why are we conscious of the apple rendering? Given (6), why is there an experience of it, if the programs comprising it are looping, and so are therefore predefined?

#4748​·​Tyler MillsOP, 28 days ago​·​Criticized1

(7) We can be conscious of the apple imagery for the entire 5 seconds.

#4747​·​Tyler MillsOP, 28 days ago

(6) Repeated running of the same fixed program is automatic, requires no creativity, and cannot constitute experience.

#4746​·​Tyler MillsOP, 28 days ago

(5) Repeated running of the same fixed program, not being a person, does not make it a person.

#4745​·​Tyler MillsOP, 28 days ago

(4) The programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

#4743​·​Tyler MillsOP revised 28 days ago​·​Original #4739

(4) By A1, the programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

#4741​·​Tyler MillsOP revised 28 days ago​·​Original #4739​·​Criticized1

Assumption A1: Only programs that are people while running constitute qualia/experience/subjectivity/consciousness.

#4740​·​Tyler MillsOP, 28 days ago​·​Criticized1

(4) The programs rendering the apple are not people, so cannot themselves constitute experience.

#4739​·​Tyler MillsOP, 28 days ago​·​Criticized1

(3) The programs rendering the apple imagery must be looping until stopped, since they could not have advance knowledge of when the stimulus stops.

#4738​·​Tyler MillsOP, 28 days ago

(2) The rendering is caused by the running of some number of programs.

#4737​·​Tyler MillsOP, 28 days ago

(1) During the entire 5 seconds, your mind renders the image of the apple.

#4736​·​Tyler MillsOP, 28 days ago

“What do people misunderstand most about crystal meth addiction?” https://www.quora.com/What-do-people-misunderstand-most-about-crystal-meth-addiction/answer/Notmy-Realname-133

Interesting read.

#4735​·​Dennis Hackethal, 29 days ago

A discussion can get long even if each criticism is concise.

#4734​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 29 days ago​·​Criticism

Someone who recently joined made a bunch of low-quality posts in a short amount of time.

#4733​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 29 days ago​·​Criticism

why?

#4732​·​Moritz Wallawitsch revised 30 days ago​·​Original #4731​·​CriticismCriticized1

why?

#4731​·​Moritz Wallawitsch, 30 days ago

Not if the criticism is clear and concise. That should be incentivized somehow.

#4730​·​Moritz Wallawitsch, 30 days ago​·​Criticized2

A discussion needs to be more skimmable via one or both of these:
1. hide long posts behind "read more" button
2. collapse critique chains/threads behind a "reply more" button

#4729​·​Moritz Wallawitsch, 30 days ago​·​Criticism

The UI needs to be more minimalistic. Too many buttons to click on. Needs clear primary action on every screen.

#4728​·​Moritz Wallawitsch, 30 days ago​·​Criticism

Need summaries at top of discussions. Could be AI generated.

#4727​·​Dennis HackethalOP, 30 days ago​·​Criticism
#4725​·​Dennis Hackethal revised 30 days ago​·​Original #4724

Criticized per #4718: AIs are not "narrowly creative"; there is only creativity in the binary, universal sense, per Deutsch.

#4723​·​Tyler MillsOP, about 1 month ago​·​Criticism